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This Day in Tech: Aug. 6, 1997: Apple Rescued - by Microsoft (wired.com)
45 points by edw519 on Aug 6, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 32 comments



I commented on this situation in a song parody of "Don't cry for me Argentina" many years ago:

http://www.jgc.org/blog/2008/03/bouts-complete-song-parodies...


I think you have missed your calling :)


Unfortunately, I have tried to learn to sing (twice) and failed. Thus I am limited to writing song lyrics. One day I will fulfill my life long dream of writing the lyrics for a country music hit song.

If you enjoyed that, you might enjoy this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=156905


While all of these are awesome, I wanted to thank you especially for Gangsta's Paradise... now I have to clean the milk off my monitor.


You are most welcome. If only I could find some people who could actually put these to music.


This event is featured in the tv movie 'Pirates of Silicon Valley', if I remember correctly.


I generally dislike people who get emotional about technology. I was quite surprised - not being an Apple person at all, and having seen this footage at the time - to feel quite saddened by this.


I read that and it makes me wonder if Microsoft would have made the deal if they knew the long term outcome.


What about it makes you wonder? It's not like Apple is a threat to Microsoft in the operating system market. Apple is a threat in the portable music player and smartphone markets, but those are not core to Microsoft's business anyway. Microsoft had a chance to take over the smartphone market before Apple showed up, and blew it with a crappy interface and being slow to incorporate push e-mail natively into Exchange.

The goodwill they engendered from this move was sorely needed at the time and surely that alone was worth the investment.


Microsoft diagrees with you, they think windows mobile is definitely core business:

They just launched a guide on how to port from the iphone to windows mobile:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/mar09/03-11wmm...

and

http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/microsoft-details-how-po...

They may lose the battle (just like the zune has already lost the battle, I'm surprised they haven't cut it yet) but for now they're putting up a fight.


The fact that they're competing means Windows Mobile is a business, not that it's a core business. Something isn't a core business until it makes a significant fraction of the company's revenue, and WinMobile doesn't approach Windows/Office on that front.

Microsoft's strategy is to have as many businesses as possible, and for each business to compete, in hopes that some of them become core businesses. Apple's strategy is to make almost everything a core business. I don't think "having tons of businesses that don't try to compete very hard" is even a strategy.


> It's not like Apple is a threat to Microsoft in the operating system market.

Apple's the primary threat to Microsoft in the operating systems department. Nothing else comes close.


While it may be the most widely used alternative, it cannot be considered a "threat" when it's market share is orders of magnitude smaller, and not gaining ground very quickly http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9


Year over year, Apple's market share has grown from 3.54% to 4.86%. That's 37% growth, FWIW. Seems like that would correspond to a pretty big jump in sales.


Apple might have cost MS some sales, but it is worth ~30x more today. Even if 150million was not a big deal the 4.5 billion ROI is nothing to complain about. Granted, I don't know if or when they sold that back.

PS: I also think Jobs might have gotten back into the computer bis if Apple had folded. He made a lot of money from Pixar and could have easly started something from scrach. IMO, Apple, NeXT, and Pixar are all technology companies with a focus on good design.


I don't think they had much choice. I do think they got off cheap, though. At that point Apple was the only thing in the consumer OS space they could point at and call "competitor" with a straight face.

It also sold a lot of copies of Office.


That's a good point, I had not looked at it that way.

I always figured it was Gates that had Jobs over a barrel, you make a convincing argument that it was actually the other way around.


Why does one side have to "win"? I think it was quite obviously mutually beneficial.

Microsoft got out of some potentially costly lawsuits extremely cheaply and got some additional defence for the then-upcoming antitrust litigation. Apple got the immediate investment they desperately needed on favourable terms, they were able to stop spending money on expensive litigation, and they got guarantees over the software they wanted. Both sides also got each others patents, which was probably favourable for both companies as it allowed to resolve any potential remaining patent issues and allow interoperability.


Oh, I'm sure it was mutually beneficial at the time (otherwise the deal wouldn't have gone through), it's just that it seemed to me that Apple was not in a position to dictate terms. GGP makes an excellent point by showing how strong Apples negotiation position really was.


Why wouldn't they? I don't think Microsoft could have ever hoped for a better long term outcome. Microsoft made about $60B in revenues last year. Apple made a little more than half that and, for the most part, is still hardly a threat to Microsoft. Sure, they get their asses kicked in the portable music player and song download markets, but it's not really their core business. I think Microsoft's entries there are more about establishing fence posts than taking over a market.


What's microsofts core business then ?

You've already ruled out the portable music players, so what else do they have ?

- search ?

- office software ?

- desktop operating systems ? (massive piracy, bad product launches)

- mobile operating systems ? (lost to the iphone, in due time probably lost to android, too early to tell)

- game consoles ? (lost to the wii)

They're still doing well, but they could be doing a whole lot better.

If fence posts were all they were then they would have been better of to never get those products out the door. Once bitten twice shy. When microsoft was the only game in town that strategy worked. Today I think that is no longer a viable way to do business.


- search ?

I don't know if they're planning for this to be a new core business. Up to this point they haven't been competing there like it is one. Bing is a fine entry, though. It's not going to knock off Google search, but they've done a very respectable job.

- office software ?

I dislike Microsoft Office and haven't used it for many years, but I realize I'm in the minority. Microsoft is so entrenched here it's ridiculous. The MS Office upgrade cycle will be safe for quite some time.

- desktop operating systems ? (massive piracy, bad product launches)

Every Windows release that I can remember has been a flop in one way or another, although Vista is in a tight race with Windows ME for worst launch ever. It hardly matters when the majority of PCs purchased come with Windows whether you want it or not. Besides, many of the people avoiding Vista are ending up with a new copy of Windows XP.

- mobile operating systems ? (lost to the iphone, in due time probably lost to android, too early to tell)

It's a joke.

- game consoles ? (lost to the wii)

Everyone lost to the Wii. It doesn't mean Microsoft hasn't had a respectable showing here. They're also still sufficiently different that they can coexist without much trouble.

It's obvious that Microsoft doesn't dominate markets the way they did 10 years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if, after the anti-trust thing, they realized they don't have to. They are incredibly well diversified and making money in a lot of different places. They're still #1 by a longshot in the OS and office suite markets and making a good showing in a couple others.


I dunno why people (somewhat including myself as well) are so much against Bill Gates. At a high level he's a very noble man compared to Steve Jobs.

On second thought I shouldn't start a heated debate.


Wasn't there also a part to not sue for code from Quicktime ending up in Windows? Which would have netted a large sum in court.

(As far as I can remember, Apple had some third company port Quicktime and after Microsoft saw that, they asked the company to make "Video for Windows" to not look like "Slides for Windows".)

Edit: (Some syntax fixes.) According to this page, the Quicktime deal was the most important part. That fits with my memory. The article is a bad hack job. (The page also mentions that Microsoft tried to extort Apple to not support video playback on Windows.)

http://www.technstuff.com/windows/history-of-quicktime-did-y...

"Steve Jobs brokered a deal with Microsoft that dropped the QuickTime code theft case in exchange for a visible partnership that made Microsoft an investor in Apple and ensured regular new releases of Office for Mac."


This has always struck me as Apple-Fanboy revisionism (and this coming from a guy with an iPhone and a Macbook). For this to be true it would have meant Apple had the upper hand in the negotiation and I just don't see that. Apple gave up too much (and had to look submissive doing it which had to sting Jobs) and Microsoft gave up virtually nothing (a relatively small amount of money and a promise to continue developing a product that was hugely profitable for them)

Also, the Microsoft exec who supposedly gave testimony proving this theory didn't do that at all and in fact continues to deny the suit had merit (even though he no longer works there). That's all chronicled in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Renegades-Empire-Software-Revolution-M...


I didn't see them as giving up too much at the time. In the end they were able to buy some time to release some great products and still have a great Mac Business Unit producing Office.


Well, I would be surprised if that embarrassing circumstance wasn't denied, disregarding if it was true or not!

If the code didn't ship in Windows, it would have been easy to verify. I didn't see anything in the media about it then, which would have been the time to deny it.

But you know how it is, big advertisers never get a fair treatment in the media. :-)

Edit: re "giving up too much"... Apple had its back against the wall at the time.


I remember Microsoft being given rights to use many of Apple's software innovations in this exchange: Quicktime on Windows, Apple True Type fonts for Windows, and the ability to span the display across multiple monitors was introduced in Windows 98.


I don't get it, wasn't Steve Jobs one of the greatest entrepreneurs ever?


I'd say this is more evidence to that argument. After all, Apple was in shambles by the time the company hired Jobs back in 1996, and what is more impressive than obtaining a bundle of cash from one of your biggest competitors?


They didn't hire Jobs, they acquired his company. NeXT is probably the only acquired startup ever to take over the acquiring company.


Indeed...often referred to as NeXT acquiring Apple for a negative 429 million.




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