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I've had conversations on similar aspects to this many times. There are many psychological issues involved but the highlights are:

1. People eat for many reasons, sustenance being only one. People eat for enjoyment, because they're happy, because they're sad, to deal with stress, as a substitute for something else arguably more destructive and so on. The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be;

2. American cities with their car addictions make it incredibly easy to lead a sedentary existence. Biking is a somewhat hazardous option that's not always realistic. The ideal exercise (in times of reward-for-effort) is probably walking. I live 7 minutes from work and the absolute minimum steps I could take in a day is probably 5000, maybe 6000 (I have a pedometer). 8000 is more common, which is still a bit low (10,000 is recommended). Live 10-15 minutes from work and walk to and from work every day and you massively better off;

3. People treat diets and, to a lesser extent, exercise regimes as a transitory effort to get back to some goal weight or fitness level, at which point they seek to return to the previous behaviour. This is a mistake. You're getting older. Your metabolism is, all other things being equal, slowing down (it requires more effort to keep it up at any rate). You should view a dietary change (in particular) as a lifestyle change, not a temporary adjustment;

4. Psychological addiction may not be as "obvious" as physiological addiction but its effects can be very real.

I'm sorry for your loss. It may sound callous but ultimately we are each responsible for our own well-being. If someone chose to die that way, it's sad but there's not much you could do. You have to choose to be helped.




"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be"

Better off how? Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. To quote someone else, if you spend your life eating no butter, no lard, no salt; you're gonna feel like a damn fool lying on your hospital bed, dying from nothing.


As mentioned earlier, I am waaaaaaaay overweight. That, of course, means that I'm at risk for heart disease, diabetes, and all that jazz. So when I found myself sitting in my chair with shooting pains and numbness in my left arm, and severe chest pain, my first thought was "well shit, time to call 911 because I'm having a heart attack". To make a long story short, the actual cause of the symptoms I felt was a combination of a herniated disc in my neck and a panic attack, but the thought that death is right around the corner, due to something very preventable, is not something you ever forget.

So while I've not lain on my death bed while dying from 'nothing', I can tell you that thinking you're about to die from something in your control (at least partially) is a terrible, terrible feeling. I really can't emphasize how bad a feeling that is. I love butter, but I'd trade it in a heart beat to never feel that again. Who knows, maybe it's the same whether it's in your control or not.


I love butter too and I weight 80kg, I am very tall(basket player level tall). None of those problems.

40 years ago Americans used to eat lots of butter and fats(way more than today) and they were fit.

My advice is:

Forget about eating sugar, not fat. Fat is natural, we had eaten it since man is man, fat is in animals with the meat and all tribes everywere(From Papua New Guinea to the Amazon) have horrible histories about those that did not eat fat(because those that do not become ill as fat is essential for the immune system and heart, among others) .

Refined sugar is not natural, you should buy fruit as it has antioxidants and lots of fiber so you don't become addicted to sugar(fiber reduces your sugar blood concentration orders of magnitude).

Never mix sugar with fat, if you do add lots of fiber, like lettuce or broccoli or fruit(if you don't like them, make an habit and you will like it over time).

Replace refined rice or wheat or corn (flours) with entire grains(integral cereals). They are ugly but way more healthy.

Learn to cook yourself. It took years for you to get where you are and you need to understand that you need years to get out. Don't try miracles but learn how to get healthy step by step.


PD: Oh, and forget about the stupid "calories in, calories out" non sense. Your body is not a Bunsen burner. Your body could take what it needs(and let the remain on your waste) and calories are not equal(even different sugars have completely different metabolism pathways).

Also eat five times a day and never fast.

Better: get a mentor that really knows, not a person that just has a title but someone that has result under her belt.


Eat five times a day and never fast is very old school. When I was trying to gain weight I would eat 6 times a day. Watched low fat and low sugar.

But it seems things changed Intermittent fasting is actual working and even a 24 hour fast can be beneficial.

Also Calories in and out are a very easy way to lose weight if you calculate correctly. Lot of people overestimate what they burn.

I practice intermittent fasting and now I can maintain low BF % all the time. while using the 5 to 6 meals a day was great for getting more muscle on with a bit of fat gain. But eating 5 to 6 meals a day on low calorie consumption sucks and is not maintainable in the long run.

Some good material with studies to back it up: http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html http://rippedbody.jp/2012/03/02/why-is-leangains-so-effectiv...


Calories in, calories out is a valid model. It's just not a very useful one. The reason that some foods are better than others even though they have the same number of calories is that some foods give you the feeling of being full, which causes you to eat fewer calories later (e.g. protein). Or some foods might cause you to feel fatigued, causing you to burn fewer calories later (sugar crash). But don't kid yourself, if it's a given that you eat X calories and burn/lose Y calories, then you'll gain weight proportional to X-Y. Choose foods that make it easy to keep that number close to zero.


One of the best? I know that in my case I enjoyed cigarettes more than most food, but I don't regret giving those up. Being healthy improves your quality of life as well as the quantity; I can surf and do parkour and hang-glide and many other fun things which several of my friends simply can't do. And, privately -- since it isn't polite to bother someone about their weight -- I find this rather sad.


Enjoying good food doesn't make you unhealthy. For a lot of people I know, it's that misconception that leads them to become so unhealthy. They eat and eat and eat with some yo-yo dieting thrown in for good measure, then give up because it makes them miserable. If you're conscious about how much you eat and how much you exercise, you can eat what you love and still feel great.


Since when is eating unhealthy? I love food (and everything about it) more than most people I know, and because of that I also eat a lot more healthily than most people I know. People who don't care about food are the ones who will eat a big mac for lunch and second big mac for dinner.


For what it's worth, I'm right in the range for a healthy weight given my height, and I exercise daily. Being able to do parkour would be pretty great, however!


If you're interested, email me (email in profile). I've been training for 6+ years, worked for American Parkour for a while, and currently am on the board of a parkour non-profit.


Eating food makes you happy, but you shouldn't eat food to feel happy. It's an important distinction to make.


Actually, you'll get used to it and probably enjoy the more healthy food a lot!

It's sort of like smoking. Nobody enjoys smoking when they first start. It's disgusting! But they think: "If it's this bad then I can stop at any time" - then they can't. A similar thing happens with coffee and sugar. If you have 3 sugars in your coffee and slowly start to reduce it, then eventually cut it out then for the first few cups when you cut it out you won't like it, but then you'll actually be OK with it. Then you won't be able to drink it with sugar at all!


butter lard and salt are all perfectly fine. portion control and micronutrient density are the problems, not any particular substance.


Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really think this is a sad statement and I truly hope one day you will understand why I think so.


Please elaborate. I completely agree with the original comment. Good food and drink is easily one of the best pleasures in life.


I feel the same way about yours, actually. I don't want you to get it the wrong way so I'll google it for you: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous


I disagree, eating for pleasure doesn't mean overeating.


Nor does it mean gorging on McDonalds and KFC every day of the week.

It might cost a tiny little bit more to get the fresh ingredients instead of the usual stacks of shitty ready meals and frozen foods, but the variety and the balance (if you shop well) is hard to beat.

I love being able to cook good food, and as a result, the food is enjoyable, and I'm encouraged to learn more recipes so I can enjoy more.


Absolutely. I love cooking with fresh ingredients and hate fast food, and most restaurants for that matter. Although I may love cooking some foie gras a few times a year, what I cook is generally a lot healthier than what a person who doesn't particularly enjoy eating eats.


Maybe you imagine me stuffing myself with bigmacs. It's not how I see it. My love for food and drinks has led to a love for cooking, wine pairing, and mixology. I don't see how this could be sad, and I doubt that my enjoyment of pleasure will one day disappear.


If your epitome of culinary pleasure is butter, lard and salt, you need to start dining somewhere else.

(while I agree with you that eating can be a great pleasure, one can simultaneously enjoy great food every single day and not look like Jabba the Hutt).


I'm slim, tall, and handsome, and I cook my own food, thank you very much :)

Actually, one of the restaurants I truly enjoy is Au Pied De Cochon in Montreal, where it gets way "worse" than butter, lard and salt. Maybe it's a good thing I live across the continent from it :)


"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be"

Not true. This is a mechanistic approach to life, we are not machine copies. Machines are copies from us, witch is different.

A machine can not repair itself or reproduce or protect itself against the aggressions of the environment.

What you eat is not just fuel, but way way more complex. You eat proteins so you get aminoacids, vitamins, minerals, oils and water. If you don't eat some specific materials in specific proportions you die, no matter how many calories you give it(energy or "fuel").

E.g you could give your body too much omega 6 fat (cheap to industrial manufacture) over omega 3 fat and your body will start working very bad.

In my experience traveling around the world, the anglo speaking world has no idea what eating well means. Eating for enjoyment does not mean eating pizza, hamburgers or hot dogs, there is tons of healthy food around the world that is simply delicious(look for ancient cultures).


Definitely agree. Contrast anglo culture with the great "foodie" cultures: India, China, France, Italy, etc.

In China I had some of the best meals I ever had for about $2 - boiled rice and a variety of vegetable/meat dishes with assorted flavours. Of course you have to go as a group to make that style of eating worthwhile, but that was hardly a bad thing. If I wanted a late-night lazy meal, I'd get a plate of fried rice or noodles from one of the little diners -- not super healthy, but way better than Big Macs. In Malaysia I eventually stopped grabbing junk food from the 7-11s (which I did for the first few days) and started buying fresh fruit from the street vendors whenever I wanted a snack. I think Anglo culture in particular has a bad relationship to food (which is a shame, as despite the stereotype, we actually had some innovative cuisine in the past).

http://joshuaspodek.com/food-joy-values


I couldn't agree more, except I've had a pizza in Napoli, the home of pizza, and a 'hot dog' in Germany, the home of the Frankfurter, in the last week, and it was really enjoyable! I miss Ireland for a decent burger though - the beef is much better.


A typical two-stroke engine uses fuel that has lubricant mixed in. Tetraethyllead used to be added to petrol to allow higher compression ratios, increasing fuel efficiency.

The fuel metaphor is perfectly valid.


I live in Cleveland, but I've been working during the week in Chicago for the past year. When I first started spending time in Chicago, I noticed how thin the average person in the city is compared to Clevelanders. A year into this contracting gig, I've lost 35 pounds without much effort. Want some coffee? The good coffee shop is around the block. Want to meet some friends-of-friends for lunch? It's only a few blocks away. Nice night, maybe I should just walk "home" (I bought a condo in Chicago) -- only 1.5 miles. Oh, and because that condo was an icky short-sale condo, I end up doing stuff like scrubbing floors in the evenings. It's the little things which seem to add up. Stocking my kitchen with mostly stuff which is not awful health-wise surely helped as well.


People treat diets and, to a lesser extent, exercise regimes as a transitory effort to get back to some goal weight or fitness level, at which point they seek to return to the previous behaviour. This is a mistake.

And it's perfectly understandable. Eating only rabbit food and spending your free time getting sore and sweaty is unappealing for many people. Tell them that they have to do that for the rest of their lives or they won't get any benefit, and plenty will arguably rationally decide not to bother at all.

I'd like to see more focus on improvements at the margin. No, I'm not going to cut out all sugar and bread, but if you tell me which of the foods I like to eat are the most and least unhealthy, I can probably make significant improvements while still enjoying my meals. Same thing with exercise; 10,000 steps per day is unrealistic for almost everyone, while taking stairs when feasible and grabbing the first available parking spot instead of wasting time trying to find a closer one is a much easier sell.

Completely agreed that walking to work is great if you can arrange it. Not only is it good exercise, it avoids the car commutes that studies consistently find are terrible for your general happiness.


FYI, for the last 6 months I've cut out major sources of carbs. No rice, pasta, bread or potatoes, and no obviously super-sweet stuff (sugar, sodas, etc), and very sweet fruits (apples, cherries, pineapples, grapes...) only in moderation.

I still drink beer. I make occasional exceptions (been eating some chocolate every couple of days recently since someone gifted me a whole damn box). I eat lots of veg (salads, spinach, peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers, etc) and huge amounts of meat (anything from fresh steak and home-made burgers - no bun - to chorizo, Parma ham, and other fatty meats). I still eat lots of dairy products too - cheese in particular, nice mozzarella, Camembert, gruyere, emental, etc.

Result for me? I eat whenever I'm hungry, however much I feel like, and always nice food that tastes good, and my weight hasn't budged. I also don't get the 1-3pm carb coma anymore. And I feel great.

YMMV, but this works for me for maintaining weight. For cutting down weight, just combine this with a calorie restriction method and daily weight measurements/charting, as per : http://danieltenner.com/posts/0018-how-to-lose-weight.html


Similar to you - though been doing it just over a year now - dropped about 12 kg (down to 72kg) and feel so much better. I carried a heavy parcel (10kg) up a long escalator the other day, and was pretty worn out at the top - then I remembered that I used to carry more than that all over my body, every day, and it made me so glad I started watching what I ate.

Being rid of the afternoon slump is a HUGE boost for me - I used to flag every day at about 3pm (after a sandwich for lunch) and would always have a chocolate bar and a coke to wake myself up - only then then crash again a couple of hours later.

Now eating too much sugar gives me a headache, and I am happy to steer clear of it. I still have the occasional bar of something, but I don't feel like it's something I need any more, and I am much much happier this way!

So if anyone is considering similar - give it a shot, I follow the 'slow carb' diet from the 4 Hour Body - but basically it's just the post above, except with no dairy and loads of beans.


Exersise health benefits follow a power law. It is damn near impossible to exercise enough to double the benefits of going from completely sedentary to twenty minutes of light exersise a day plus breaking up any long periods of sitting with a minute or two of standing and stretching every couple of hours.


This comment needs to be near the top.

People don't get how much just a TINY bit of daily exercise gives them.


I suspect that there are physiological effects from computer gaming. I know that I occasionally will play a bit excessively (though not extremely so) for a few days when I am having other issues, but I have learned to moderate even that because of these things. Among others I find:

1) Interference with sleep. Will continue to see video game images when I close my eyes to sleep and won't sleep well.

2) Changes in how my eyes track things.

3) A general, physical malaise. I will feel a bit of nausea....

I don;t think the deaths are caused by exhaustion. I think they are caused by brain or hormone imbalances caused by the gaming itself.


This is based on somewhat worse evidence than the antivax movement. What you describe largely sound like symptoms of eye strain, probably combined with lack of proper exercise and nutrition. These are unpleasant conditions, but not really deadly in the way you seem to mean. Without clinical or scientific evidence, I don't think we should be spreading pet medical theories Jenny McCarthy-style.


Suspect means "I have a hypothesis." It doesn't mean I have tested it rigorously.

I don't think it is as simple as eyestrain. Also no nutritional changes can be shown during these times, and being sedentary doesn't cause these for me.

The point is you start with observations, you form hypotheses, and hope that someone will test them.

Regarding the antivax movement though, there really are two submovements. The first ("vaccines cause autism") is pretty silly given that the hypotheses that float dont even match the demographic data they claim it does.

The second movement though which I am relatively sympathetic to is a relatively generalized hostility towards vaccine proliferation. This isn't anti-vaccine really. It is rather hostility towards ever-growing lists of mandated vaccines. I know a lot of people who say "I don't care what the CDC says. I am not giving my kid a yearly flu shot!" And many of them also question many of the newer additions to state vaccine mandates as well while often supporting requirements for the older and more major vaccines (polio, MMR, DTaP for kids, not for adults). I don't think you can just lump these together.


> Interference with sleep. Will continue to see video game images when I close my eyes to sleep and won't sleep well.

This effect actually has a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect

Neural plasticity is an amazing thing. For example in blind people the visual parts of the brain can get rewired to process sound or other senses instead. The flipside of that is that if I spend a significant portion of my life focusing on video game scores, (or how much karma my posts get on reddit), it feels like my brain rewires itself to play those games better - potentially at the cost of other types of performance.

In effect, I think that "garbage in, garbage out" applies to humans too.


Concerning 1, I personally believe that on the flip side, having an intimate knowledge about food is beneficial to health. Being able to have at least some awareness of what you put into your body allow you to be aware of what constitutes a sensible portion, and being able to appreciate various nuances of food beyond fat, salt, and sugar will generally result in healthier eating.

Extended destructive binges are usually a symptom of some other emotional stress, and I presume that regular eating habits aren't going to be followed, anyway.


Point #2 really hit home for me. I recently switched jobs and my new job affords significantly less opportunity to get up and walk around. It is essentially in a business park and the city I live in is much more of a commuter city than I'm used to. Any suggestions on how to maintain a non-sedentary life?

I usually go running or hit the gym after work, but a lot of the new research is indicating that sitting all day and then working out for an hour is quite a bit worse for you then staying mobile all day, even if the net amount of exercise is equivalent. Thinking about how much time I spend sitting at a desk is pretty depressing for me.


About a year ago, I picked up a set of Perfect Pushups, those rotating pushup handle things you see advertised on TV. I try to do a set of 10 each hour while I'm at work. Co-workers looked at me askance at first -- probaby still do. I've cited the studies warning about the health risks of sitting at your desk too long. Nevertheless, I try to be discreet.

I still work out most days after work. But the push-ups get me out of my chair during the day, don't take more than a minute to do a set, and give brain and body a little charge.

I recommend something like the Perfect Pushup -- besides all the reasons in their commercials -- because they help overcome the psychological ickiness of putting your hands on the floor (even if it is no dirtier than your keyboard.) With all the effort corporations are giving to getting their employees to walk 15 minutes a day to bring down health insurance costs, I think the Perfect Pushup makers are fools not to promote this sort of office usage for their product.


I used to do something similar. Luckily, I had a cube at the end that faced a wall. After I started feeling some wrist pains I set up a keyboard-timer, a program that was part of Gnome that locked the screen after a given interval of continuous activity. I set it to 2 minutes every 30 minutes that didn't include at least a 1 minute break from typing. During my 2 minute break I had enough time to do a set of push-ups and a set of sit-ups and would alternately go refill my water and go to the restroom. I think it ended up being akin to the Pomodoro technique because I found myself working harder and really getting into the zone to beat the timer.

I also had a period where I bought a new car and started driving to work. I put on about 15 pounds over two months. I realized this and went back to biking to and from work. For me, bicycle commuting is the best way to get exercise because it doesn't feel like wasted time when I would just be sitting in traffic anyway. It can be a bit of a hassle, but I get to comfort myself with monetary savings and benefiting the environment.


Bikes are awesome. I just moved from a college town to a big city for summer internship and I'm toying with the idea of buying a second hand bike for the duration (cheaper than public transit?) but this city doesn't have the same ubiquitous bike-rack infrastructure as the college town, so I'm not sure where I'd park it...


Careful though. A bike has as much chance of shortening your life as lengthening it depending on where you ride it.


"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be;" I am like this. Trust me, it is not that enjoyable. There are two major downside: 1. 90% of all food tastes meh. I seldom go a day without having eaten something I truly enjoyed. 2. You start eating too little, because you feel you haven't exactly run out of fuel just yet. Two can be particularly dangerous, at times I have almost fainted because of it. I truly recommend against training yourself this way.


Having kids also helps you with the "walking" aspect. A daily walk around the 'hood with a stroller, and at a later age combined with some "culture-dependent ball game" time, gives you some "free" opportunities to burn them calories.

P.S. besides, with kids you'll have no time for video games, so that's a solution from another angle ;-)


The only thing you really get from being one of those "food is fuel" folks is a lot of other folks making fun of you and not inviting you to "Ravioli Night".

You don't wanna be that guy.


> The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be

The only reason I can imagine you'd have this idea is if you're operating under the mistaken assumption that "healthy food" and "food that you can enjoy" are mutually-exclusive categories.

This ties into a lot of quasi-religious crap surrounding diet in general, which makes every fad diet an orthodoxy complete with demonic outsiders (foods absolutely prohibited and made to seem inherently unhealthy), canonized sacraments (foods that are held up as perfect and beyond reproach), and the sin-guilt-redemption cycle.

Nonsense.

You can lose weight eating Twinkies if you mind your caloric intake and burn more than you consume. (You'll have to watch your nutrient intake as well, but that's a given. You always need to do that to some extent.) Therefore, you can eat good foods in the right amounts and it'll work. You'll also be more inclined to stay on the diet and make it a true lifestyle change.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/...

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/06/health/la-he-fitness...


I agree with the general idea of your argument, but I wouldn't take the "caloric intake" theory as being the truth, precisely because there's "quasi-religious crap surrounding diet in general", much of it promoted by doctors and nutritionists.

For instance I love meat in general, especially pork stake. My current diet allows me to eat meat and diary products in 1 day out of 4, but when I do, I eat a lot of it, with no restrictions other than not eating after 8 PM. I also get to eat potatoes and even refined carbohydrates, but on different days (so it's a dissociated diet). It's enough to say that my cholesterol levels are really healthy, I have more energy than ever, and I'm losing 11 pounds per month.

And I do satisfy my urges, the only difference being that it's all scheduled and I don't do impulsive eating anymore.

Another thing that I noticed - once you cut out drastically the sugar from your diet and white bread ... food and water taste so much better. I'm now inclined to pick up cooking as a hobby ;)


You might be able to lose weight with a Twinkie diet but that won't cure the diabetes.




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