wow, this may seem stupid but I found this comment awesome. I was about to poste "down" or "down for me" when I saw yours and you simply bring a solution. Kind of inspired by the attitude man
When I was young my great-grandfather started a tanning business, in the sense that he was a tanner who produced leather goods.
He had to buy a sign to put above his shop. The sign maker asked him if he wanted to put a logo on the sign, too.
"Why?" asked my grandfather.
"So people will recognize your business," said the sign maker.
"That's what the name is for," answered grandfather.
Even at the time I thought this was an interesting perspective.
I always remember that day because afterward when the sign maker left the next person to come into the tanning store was a woman from a nearby dessert shop who gave us free ice cream cones.
Unrelated to logo design, that woman later married my uncle!
Given this was a 'great-grandfather' story a logo could have served a secondary purpose. As literacy rates were much lower having an identifiable business symbol like a barber pole would help people who couldn't read. Also there's no reason a name cant be a logo e.g. Google.
Logos seem more important in the physical realm than the digital one. Great for advertizing on Bilbords, shirts, TV etc but meaningless when the goal is to click the link not remember the company.
There is still plenty of awareness generation on digital ads, especially desktop. Across I few products/brands I have monitored this effect. Typically I find on desktop display ads you will generate 2-4 additional visitors for every on ad click. Mobile interestingly is significantly less, more like an extra 0.5 visitors for each click generated.
More than logos, you need consistent and recognisable look and feel to an advert. This way the companies presence is communicated at a glace, which is what most people offer to digital ads.
As the article admits - 'Although, generally, the quality of work is high...' the general quality of these designs is interesting to me.
Historically, low-quality art and design was a good (though certainly not conclusive) indicator of a low quality product.
These days, every fly by night business can have a slick logo, every shovelware game can gleam in stills thanks to the underlying engine and every inane YouTuber has a pre-roll that could pass for a major studio.
All at once barriers to entrance are lower, reach is wider and and filtering becomes much harder. Social networks and learning/recommendation features feel like logical if not simply necessary conclusions in response.
I think there are interesting opportunities there, for curated content :)
For example, I want an equivalent of "TV channels" with varied programming for, say, Netflix, and while YouTube does have channels, it's not easy for myself to discover them (it takes a lot of time and there's no easy branding to ease the discovery process).
Edit: I agree that most of those logos do look pretty good. And things like Bootstrap have lowered the barrier needed for a website to look professional. Both are good things, but make using old heuristics for filtering ineffective :)
Social networks and learning/recommendation features are a cause of rather than the solution to this problem.
These cookie-cutter logos are churned out in "design competitions" where designers have social proof of what people actually buy and/or their peers upvote to base their designs on. The conclusion is that using the last set of successful designs as a template is far more likely to be chosen than anything genuinely original (as well as quicker to knock out when you're not being paid by the hour and the tools you have at your disposal are very conducive to tweaking). See also the dominance of the "ten reasons why this Buzzfeed article will grab more attention than your thoroughly-researched article" school of churnalism. Ultimately, lowering the barriers to becoming a gatekeeper or influencer has a far worse effect on quality than lowering the barriers to producing something vaguely competent, and both flood the market with mediocrity.
On the flip-side, many well known companies spend millions on rebranding and get similarly generic logos, and ten years ago the people commissioning most of these would probably have wound up with something involving clipart.
> These days, every fly by night business can have a slick logo
As a logo designer, I'm surprised at how much I think this is true but don't actually observe it much. It does happen, but the majority of businesses still seem to pay for worse logos than they deserve, and the majority of come-and-go businesses also fall into that grouping nicely.
I'm learning, BTW, that even the website experience is a good gauge (well, better than a logo in significant ways) of the quality of the brand.
A good logo is the least of your problems. A property company? go with a set of roofs over your name, a car company? Choose a swishy logo. Make sure your company name is clear and readable and get on with the hundred other things you need to produce million dollar turnover.
Once your company is employing a hundred people, turning over 8 figures then you can afford a rebranding exercise. Before that it's so much procrastination and mental wank.
You live and breathe your company's essence - if that's not what you want, try therapy not logos.
However, it must have taken some time to gather that and is an impressive overview. More power to them.
What's interesting to me (as an Englishman with family connections to the USA) is that all the logos feel very American. I can't put my finger on why, but there's something that marks them out as coming from that culture.
I think it is characteristic to the American entrepreneurship culture to "reuse" success stories. The public likes your blockbuster? Make a sequel or even a shameless copy. It will yield less profit than the original obviously, but may prove to be more profitable than some new untested experimental idea.
I don't think the logos in this article have anything specifically American in them, it's just the reuse culture. First time you see a logo of a real estate agnecy with a nice abstract roof you say "wow, this is cool". In the US it means it will be copied a thousand times until it starts annoying everyone. Then it's time for a new "wow" idea.
The best advice I ever heard about logos was from Mat Groening, creator of Simpsons and Futurama. He said, "Whenever I make a main character, I try to make them recognizable as a simple black and white silhouette". Think about Bart, Homer, Marge, Lisa, Bender, Fry, Leela. All of them instantly recognizable with just a few solid lines.
If you do the same with your logo, it will be super memorable and recognizable. Think about all the best ones -- Nike, Apple, Mcdonalds. The reddit logo and HN's "Y" follow that rule too.
Maybe companies should pay for good design instead of paying as little as possible for people to enter "competitions"? Good design takes time. Good designers should be compensated.
I'd be careful about conflating "a good logo" with "good design". Design will make or break plenty of companies. Logos don't really matter; as long as it a) fits the brand, b) doesn't offend anyone, and c) won't get you sued, your logo is doing its job. Way too much importance is placed on logos, in my opinion.
I think that he is a little unfair in the "Roofs and cubic buildings" category. Most of those are for real estate companies, and they have some variation. As long as a competitor doesn't have a very similar logo, these are very good for real estate companies.
When I was looking into this, I found two schools of thought, some people think the best thing is to have a unique name and logo, which gives no clue but is unique and rememberable.
Others think it's better to have a descriptive name and logo.
The first approach has the disadvantage of requiring more branding, while the second has the disadvantage of being less distinctive.
I think that the first approach works best if you have a marketing budget and plan to grow, while the second is much better for local businesses or lifestyle or niche businesses where organic search matters more.
VC-backed startups will probably do better with the first route, while bootstrapped side projects might work better with the second approach?
I think the conclusion of that first link is worth lifting into the thread here:
> In the end, I’ve never heard a founder of a successful company say the name of the company was an important factor in its success; similarly I’ve not heard of a name being the fatal blow. (emphasis original)
Solid, common-sense advice, and one reason I qualified what I said to "existing companies". For a new one, it doesn't really matter. But for Nike, it really is important to them that their name isn't descriptive.
We're comparing apples to oranges here. There are 7.4 million companies in the US, and most of those are local businesses. Law firms, car repair shops, restaurants, etc.
You're talking about the exceptions -- global billion dollar brands. These aren't that.
Yeah, but for a lot (perhaps most?) businesses, their offerings are somewhat nebulous and their logos can't rely on well-tread iconography. How do you represent legal services in a logo? How about high-end Asian Fusion food? Medical certification services?
Legal services: with a scales
Asian fusion: fruit segment & chopsticks
Medical certification: equal-armed cross overlapping a document
This took me about 20 seconds, and I don't work in design. They all seem very obvious to me. I actually think most small businesses are pretty focused compared to tech startups.
high-end Asian Fusion food? You're being way too specific in your requirements for a logo, if you need the logo to unambiguously describe the company to that degree.
A name with an arc through the name. What's the design purpose? Because most of them look a bit like the name has been crossed out.
I could understand it if the arcs were behind the name - that would mean the name is kind of hovering over a sphere. But lots of the examples show the name behind that arc.
EDIT: one of the later categories is "Use of the font 'satisfaction'". I looked and thought that some of the names were using a different font, because I was sure that Altus was Atlus (even though Atlus isn't a word). So I guess that design really fails? (I misread some others - "street bitch"; "sleet your bed". I don't have any reading problem that I'm aware of. I am a bit tired. But how would someone guard against that kind of problem with their logo?)
Complaining about use of spheres seems a tad harsh - there aren't many solids and spheres are less distracting than most others.
Okay, that makes sense. Except it's so poorly executed in some examples that it doesn't look like the name hovering above a planet, but a name that's just been crossed out.
These all seem fine. Honestly, if your company is something incredibly generic like _______ Capital Strategies, then a generic logo with some letters and an arrow is perfectly acceptable.
I can honestly say, picking a new logo for a new business is hard work!
You want something recognizable and unique, represents your brand and message... at all pixel sizes, in greyscale and color, etc. How will this look printed on letterhead? How about in an email signature? What about stretched out for a banner on our building? Is it too similar to someone else's?
With all that said, -- the logos in the article are all pretty generic "safe" logos for more "corporate-like" businesses... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I liked "Midwest Dental Arts", in the group described as "The company's acronym cut in two colors by an arc (usually Trajan font)". All the other logos in the group have a downwards-concave arc; the dental logo is concave upwards, like a smile. It may be a little hokey, but it's the only one in the group that's playing with the cliche.
Those all look like they are made in those dime-store logo factories. They charge $100-500 for some copy'n'paste shapes that the client "loves" because it looks just like their competitor.
Very surprised not to see the hexagon. I thought that I was being original when creating a hexagon logo, but took a look around and realized that I chose the shape because it was familiar.
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