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Half of US Employees Earn Extra Cash on the Side, Survey Finds (bloomberg.com)
18 points by mirthlessend on March 27, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 12 comments



> Half of US employees aren't paid enough by first job, must take second to survive.

If you consider that most of these could be two income households, then that's a drastic difference from the post WWII era US where a single wage earner could support a household (2 adults, 2.3 kids, and a large dog, in a house with a white picket fence) with a low-skill job (eg shoe salesman), to now a possible max of 3 jobs (1.5 * 2) to support that single household living in a smaller shitty apartment. While I think women should absolutely have the right to work, in whatever field they want - civic progress since the 1950's, one can't help but wonder if we possibly lost something in the transition to two wage earner households. If we're not somehow being taken advantage of by that. Sure we're roughly twice as productive as a national if we ignore technological progress, but are we twice as happy? twice as fullfilled? twice as able to enjoy twice as much leasure time with our loved ones (whom we love twice as much)?


While I agree with your comment I can't help but wonder if there's one thing missing that needs to be considered.

Quality of life probably needs to be considered and compared between the time periods. I'm too young and history-ignorant to do that but I wonder if these two, in terms of QoL, coincide with your sentiments or not. My suspicion is that they don't.

- a household (2 adults, 2.3 kids, and a large dog, in a house with a white picket fence)

- single household living in a smaller shitty apartment

The QoL might still actually be better in the smaller, shitty apartment depending on your priorities?


There's the issue of the impact of the larger living space on quality of life - the larger the enclosed space the more money is spent on heating, cooling, cleaning and maintenance, plus the temptation to fill the extra space with all sorts of crap you don't need.


You're absolutely right - there are a ton of measures by which QoL today is better than in the past thanks to technology. I have access to the Internet. Holy shit how I love (and hate) it! Certain types of cancers are survivable, the television per dollar is ridiculous; I, a plebe, have access to jet travel and can travel to pretty much anywhere in the world. (Hell, if you're halfway not-a-plebe, Netjets get you fractional private jet ownership. Kings of the 1200's could scarcely dream of access to that technology) And those are only the first-world things that come to mind. Access to drinking water, toilets, food, anti-malaria and other anti-disease medical technology is far wider. Air-conditioning if you live in hot, electrified parts of the world.

It's just there are priorities that society could prioritize to reduce overall misery compared to where we are today. Why are infants going unfed, children going hungry? Why is medical bankruptcy even a thing? What is the average number of leisure hours per week across the whole economy? Sure, if I work extra hard and guess the right (tech startup) lottery numbers, I could retire and have a 0 hour work week, but for the unlucky masses, what's that average number when less than half the (American) people don't have $500 saved up for an emergency? There's no question that the GDP as a whole, but even per-capita is way up since the 50's *. But is happiness (as a measure as the opposite of misery) also way up? If the World Happiness Report ** went back to the 1950's (or even the pre-Internet 1990's), would we see similar trends? Of course everyone's welcome to their own priorities, but happiness per-capita, as impossible it is to measure, seem entirely reasonable to prioritize for the country/world's economy. What makes a given individual happy won't be uniform, obviously. (I like my small shitty apartment and chose to live there because of the location but I'm fully aware it's also not for everyone.) But the number of hours of leisure (Europeans laugh at the fact that it's measured by hours in the US and not counted by days) or the number of hours per week spent dealing with assholes (boss, co-workers, or customers) would be great things to optimize the economy for.

* https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2...

** https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-...


> Sure we're roughly twice as productive as a national if we ignore technological progress, but are we twice as happy?

Homemaking is labor.


Your absolutely right. I am so grateful for my washing machines (dishes+clothes). Emotional labor is labor too. Raising children is subsidized and still ridiculously expensive. They're also generally unpaid, and thus don't get counted in GDP statistics. But where more and more people go unmarried, and the marginal cost of adding people to a household is lower than establishing a single person household (making dinner for 4 is easier than 4 people making dinner for 1), we're not even seeing those costs.


"Being smart is important, but knowing how to sell it also important. Americans know how to sell." - South African guy I met, who went to Yale on a scholarship


I'm very surprised. I've never had a side gig. None of my coworkers do, afaik.


None of my coworkers know I have a side gig. I don't want it coming back around to my manager.


I've had a side gig at every job I've ever had. Been in industry for 30 years. In all that time, I've only ever told a single coworker and that was because he also had one.


If you work in software you and your coworkers probably have never needed to run a side-gig to make ends meet. No offense, I am right there with you, so I think it is sampling bias.


The capitalistic machine working perfectly :) We need people to work more! How will the 1% survive if we don't?




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