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I think that the most impactful thing HN:ers outside of Ukraine/Russia can do is to politically push for more and better weapons to be sent to Ukraine, from whatever country you live in. Please do that. I think we often underestimate our political influence.




I don't want weapons. I want a stop to weapons and a start to peace negotiations.


A stop to weapons means capitulation by Ukraine, rewarding Russian imperialism and brutal aggression, and a repeat of the atrocities in 3-5 years. You are advocating for continuing atrocities, and it is abhorrent.


Peace is atrocities? and abhorrent?

I read Orwell's 1984 in high school, and I never believed that we'd go there until now.


Your lack of being informed about the facts on the ground in the Russian occupied territories should not stop you from correcting that and reading up on it, then after you're done you can come back here and apologize to those in this thread that are under attack from Russian rockets as we write this.

You can quote Orwell all day long but if you don't understand that one part of his view was that not standing up to tyranny and playing along with those that will eventually plow you under then you probably should go re-read that book as well.


>Your lack of being informed about the facts on the ground in the Russian occupied territories

It is a bit hard to be well informed, since there are no "approved" journalists reporting from these territories. The only Western journalists there that I know of (Anne-Laure Bonnel, Anna Lipp and the rather hack-ish Patrick Lancaster) are not given much exposure on the mainstream channels. If you have not heard what they have to say, I suggest you correct that before warmongering any further.


Oh right, so all of the news coming out of Ukraine that you don't like and that contradicts the story that you'd like to be true is what we should believe. And you are quoting Orwell? Seriously. The thousands of people murdered, raped, tortured and mutilated for life are just making this up but you have the high ground.


A couple of comments ago you were talking about news from "Russian occupied territories", and I was replying to that. The journalists I mentioned were not significant because they are the fountains of truth, but because they report from the occupied territories, rather than from Ukraine itself... where this just happened:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/world/europe/zelensky-jou...

Maybe you should see what they have to say. Even if it contradicts the story that YOU would like to be true.


> you under then you

Apologies, insert 'is a mistake' between 'under then'.


You're abusing the word "peace". Subjugation by a brutal dictator is not peace.

You're the one engaging in Orwellian doublespeak. Enslavement is negotiation. Tyranny is peace. Sacrificing another country from the comfort of your Australian home is peacemaking.

If Orwell were alive he'd throw his gin and tonic in your face and tell you never to utter his name again.


No, Orwell would be shocked that his "war is peace" slogan took root in the West first.

Also, "ignorance is strength".


Your comment history reveals you're just another Putin apologist. I regret having engaged, cheerleaders for fascists are rarely good conversationalists.


You twisted my words and insulted me. And then you say you regret engaging, and not even because you disagree with what I say, but because I apparently am not a good conversationalist.

Yeah, OK. Bye.


From your profile:

> Oil and gas industry, Perth, Western Australia.

Oh. Wonder why that is.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil


You are trying to make a point, but it escapes me. Can you be more direct?


I think you want a "peace" so that your business area can rebound.


Wow... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Apart from your absolutely incredible take on my character - my business area has really profited from the war:

https://www.ft.com/content/7a70cee3-2891-4012-a22d-36363fadd...

"Woodside said that its revenue increased to $5.9bn in the September quarter, up 70 per cent from the previous quarter and a significant jump from the $1.6bn that the Perth-based company reported in the same quarter last year... ...Oil and gas companies have enjoyed a streak of record profits thanks to soaring energy prices caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine."




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