Maybe, but it also is an unprecedented privacy invasion at mass scale. Medical data used to be protected private information. At least in my country. Now everyone and their grandmother is entitled to be informed about personal medical details. It leaves a bitter taste.
How can you use the certificates without giving people access. Why aren't these people authenticated before they can access the data, so it can be traced back? Which measures are implemented in order to protect the data from abuse?
I have a vaccine cert that works like this. How do I know that none of the countless people who had access to that by now did not leak the data into some ad tech database or are using it for other nefarious purposes?
You can't. You're asking for DRM for the information that you got a positive test. This is impossible. There is no way for what you're asking to be done, website or not - people can repeat and do whatever they want once you know your test status.
So we are back at the point were some medical details are essentially made public which leaves a bitter taste. I am not so sure that there is no way to protect that data at least to some extent.
Most countries didn't even try, while some countries have at least systems in place that try to reduce the privacy impact. Will all these countries ever delete all this fine-grained contact tracing, testing and vaccine status data? Of course not.
In Germany it just made the news that police was unlawfully accessing contact tracing data.
Positive tests for infectious disease have always essentially been made public, yes. This is not new, it's been the case for over a century in most countries.
You have the right to know if you have been in contact with someone that has tested positive, and you have the right to tell other people.
Is this some sort of fallacy I don't understand? If you are travelling internationally your are identified no matter what and even before covid you had to show proof of vaccination for different parts of the world.
Since I cannot reply on the comment were you accused me of lying on the internet.
> You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport
The vaccination card from the pharmacy *IS* the print out of the digital EU certificate, including the QR code. That's all I got at the pharmacy. Businesses will not accept my foreign certificate. I have no other certificates. This is my reality.
You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport... I am in Germany as well STOP lying on the internet.
> Ja. Die momentan auf dem Markt erhältlichen Impfzertfikate in Scheckkartenformat werden im monochromen Thermotransfer-Druck erstellt und enthalten neben dem Namen der oder des Geimpften auch den QR-Code der zweiten oder dritten Impfung. Für den Kartendruck ist lediglich der QR-Code des Impfzertifikats der letzten COVID-19-Impfung erforderlich. Die Kosten für die Herstellung eines solchen Ausweises trägt dabei die oder der Geimpfte selbst.
> Die Überprüfung des Zertifikats erfolgt im gewerblichen Bereich über entsprechende Prüf-Apps (CovPassCheck), mit der der QR-Code der Karte gescannt und damit der Impfstatus nachgewiesen wird. Wie beim Nachweis über die CovPass-App oder die Corona-Warn-App oder den gelben Impfausweis muss die Nutzerin oder der Nutzer sich außerdem mit ihrem beziehungsweise seinem Personalausweis identifizieren. Wenn der Impfnachweis im Scheckkartenformat verloren geht, ist dies im Vergleich zum Verlust des gelben Impfbuchs nicht problematisch, da eine neue Karte jederzeit bestellt werden kann.
The vaccination card *IS* the digital certificate in physical form. You may want to look deeper, before you accuse people of lying.
What is your problem with a digital anonymous certificate that it gets non anonymous as soon as you have to proof that it is indeed you that got the vaccination? You are talking in circles and there is still the WHO vaccination passport.
I was talking about the unprotected URL-type certificates (like Djokovic's certs and my original vax cert), before you moved the goalpost to international travel and called me a liar.
> there is still the WHO vaccination passport
The WHO passport is not useful either, if it does not contain any proof of vaccination, because it is on another continent during vaccination and you are in lockdown. Also, have you seen someone using them for entering businesses during the last couple of weeks? People are clearly pushed towards an app for displaying a QR code that could as well have been a simple image. Let's not normalize installing state-made apps. I am not consenting.
Actually there is a fourth undocumented option, the one that I am using right now: scan the code, create a new qr code with the data and store it on my phone or print it. It is just an image. Works better than the one from the pharmacy, because my QR code is sharper. The app is as useless as the vaccine mandates.
However, let's also not act like officials all around the world did not dismiss data privacy without hesitating during the pandemic. Just like before, only more. Did you read about the police in Mainz accessing LucaApp data for investigations?
Since it looks like the (always thin) scientific basis for vaccine mandates and G2 is crumbling by the day, I suspect that their proponents will soon look pretty foolish anyway and the rest of us can finally move on to dealing with the pandemic in a sensible way.
Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. The same goes for you printing out your certificate if they reject it because it is not an official form of proof this has nothing NOTHING to do with laws. It may inconvenience you but it's your own failing not that of lawmakers or others. The same goes for the tennis players certificate, no one forced him to show it to the world. His lawyers also could have asked to not disclose it in the court documents because it is a health document. At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it.
> Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in.
Try to gaslight someone else. There was never an obligation to carry a vaccine passport before the pandemic.
> At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it.
I am sorry, but you seem unwilling to understand. I explained how I was not able to get my status certified without getting my privacy violated, while you seem determined to not believe.
Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. If you got your first vaccine outside of your home country, you could have easily gotten a new one in every pharmacy or even on amazon [0]. Just because you didn't doesn't mean the country didn't offer a solution for exactly your problem. This is a dilemma of your own making not of laws and also for a lot of international travels you always needed your vaccine passport.
> Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic.
I am moving the lamppost (this last time) for you and everyone else to figure out that I was wrongly accused by you.
You have no idea what you are talking about and you are jumping to conclusions, because apparently you want me to be wrong about this so hard.
I left before the pandemic and there was absolutely no requirement to have a vacc pass for my destination at any time. Stamping yellow passes was not even offered at the place of my vaccination. Probably somehow it would have been possible if I had the pass, but that was at least never communicated to me. I called the embassy multiple times and asked how to convert that into a cert that is accepted in the EU. They had no idea at that point. Just like you.
Yeah that's probably another lie. Even when I entered North Korea they needed the WHO vaccine passport from me BUT hey I am in a good mood these days so tell us in which magic fairytale country you got vaccinated in that did not offer you to use the WHO Vaccine Passport and I google it for you and show you that you could have shown a WHO Vaccine Passport and got it "stamped". Oh and just to be 100% sure I do this for you so you can see that the problem is YOU and YOUR misinformation that you try to be persistent about. We are not even talking about the blatant lie of your first comment anymore. We are talking about a new one you fabricated by yourself by moving the post over and over again.
I have not lied before, and I have not moved the lamppost. You answered the question about the WHO passport, only after 4 times of asking you said that you forgot it at home. After I explained to you that you could have easily gotten a new one (a statement that you pleasantly ignored again in your last answer), you claim that the country where you were vaccinated in does not use or did not allow you to use a WHO Passport without providing any proof. Anyone who needs to reverse the burden of proof to testify to his own credibility has the burden of proof attached to him until he confesses. Otherwise, your statement is NULL. No matter how you twist it this a situation of your own making.
It's a day later now and I think it is safe to assume that you haven't figured out yet, how to get the yellow pass stamped in Mongolia, or otherwise avoid having your medical data being passed around totally unprotected. No wonder, I tried hard for weeks to get information on this. You probably also have figured out that the German federal foreign office does not even mention the yellow passport during the pandemic for traveling to Mongolia. And of course Amazon does not deliver to Mongolia too.. Actually, getting anything delivered to Mongolia takes weeks or more, because of restrictions of movement.
See, how your entire line of argumentation evaporates into the Schwurbel-Äther? You have been warned early in this thread: don't call out something as a lie if you don't know the details.
To your defence: I find the things that I am saying unbelievable too, but that does not mean that they are false.
Since you insist and press for more personal information (ironically in a thread about privacy), go ahead and prove to me, how I could have avoided the digital certificate in a country that uses a central vaccination register and does not even hand out physical print outs in the hospital, even on request. The urls to the unprotected certificate website are sent after vaccination by SMS (I consider this a privacy violation already). No exceptions. WHO passport is completely irrelevant to my story, even if I had it with me. Maybe there would have been an option to get it stamped after acquiring Passierschein A38, but not to my knowledge. That would also change nothing at all.
Mongolia. If you find a source (Mongolian regulation please - Google Translate works) that describes how the digital certificate could have been avoided, I will admit that I was wrong about the specific certification requirements. Nothing more, because I did not lie in this thread. To my knowledge I had no option to get vaccinated (and also tested) without getting my privacy violated.
Another funny anecdote the PCR test result for my flight (the physical one - the redundant digital one was SMS&URL again) was provided to me in this way:
Nobody was at the clinic when I came and all the results (mine and many others) were openly on a table next to the open entry of the building. This one I can actually easily prove, because I took a photo. I can show it to you in Berlin if you want. But then I want you to admit that there are indeed terrible privacy implications through all these certificates.
That leads to a page that anyone can see