Bixby as presented at SDC today is built on a different platform than the Bixby most people are familiar with. (The new Bixby is the work of Samsung-owned Viv Labs.)
It really is an interesting platform that’s worth playing around with. You essentially define a set of “concepts and actions” (objects and functions, effectively), and then give Bixby example sentences for natural language training that specify which words represent input concepts and what the goal is (for instance, an action like “BookUber” or “FindHotel”), and Bixby dynamically generates the program for you, including adding steps on its own to prompt the user for missing information (i.e, you say “book a table at The French Laundry next Saturday at 7” and it knows it needs to ask you “for how many”). You can easily teach Bixby about context and continuing conversation, so you could say “change the reservation to Sunday” and it would know what you were talking about. And, it can even learn the user’s preferred defaults over time, so if you usually specify a table for two, it assumes that’s what you mean. (You’d be able to change that on a confirmation screen before it books anything, of course.)
Full disclosure: I’m a tech writer at Viv Labs, so I’m absolutely biased. :) But I acquired this bias from working with the product.
I wanted to try this bixby studio yesterday on GNU/Linux using wine, but UI was not rendering properly, but at least UI shows up with a couple of tricks, I wish this electron app was also packaged for GNU/Linux.
I don’t think it would be, as speech recognition and natural language processing are separate. But you’d probably want to reach out to Samsung about that. Or ask on Stack Overflow, possibly, as I believe the team’s going to start monitoring for Bixby-related questions there.
My experience with Bixby has been mixed as I am not too fond of the leveling system they have in place. However, I recently got a Samsung TV that has Bixby integrated and I dig it for the small tasks it can accomplish well such as changing the TV input selection. I can't wait to give the dev stuff a try!
On an unrelated note, I am pretty upset that my Samsung ~$1200 TV has ads built into it.
I'm annoyed that smart TVs are a thing; it's like having a smart monitor, it just doesn't make sense. I'd rather have a beautiful dumb display that I can plug in to the smart part, allowing the (relatively cheap) smart part to be upgraded without having to upgrade the (relatively expensive) display part.
All I want is a 65-75" 4K panel with 1 HDMI in and that's it. I'll handle the sources and switching and audio myself.
We've had Sony, Samsung, and LG Smart TVs over the last few years and all were slow, annoying, and all round shitty experiences. I barely use my TV now because I hate waiting for it to "start up" (Sony with Android TV.. "Please Wait" for what seems like forever before you can do ANYTHING on it).
It comes up nearly every time this topic is discussed here, but commercial series displays are what you are looking for. Prepare to pay more, but in exchange get a display that just functions as a display.
Paying more for fewer features doesn't make sense though. I'm also guessing the commercial displays also are tuned more for endurance and less for quality.
The pricing makes sense. Demand dictates price, not features. Products catering to a smaller market tend to cost more, especially if you are buying individual units from a supplier who usually sells in bulk.
LG's IT line[1] is not unreasonable in terms of pricing, especially if the purchaser is also paying the electric bill, demands long-lasting color accuracy or otherwise wants a purpose-built solution. I have not used one and I don't know if budget display manufacturers like TCL and Vizio have comparable products.
> The pricing makes sense. Demand dictates price, not features.
Sure, but lower demand would usually mean lower price, unless the consumers are willing to pay extra for something that other products are missing. In this case, I'm not sure what the other products are missing in comparison, but I'm also not familiar with these TV's.
Problem is, you're not the general consumer. Most consumers would much rather have a smart tv that has all the simple stuff built in so they dont have to know how to configure anything complicaated
Right. The classic problem is having 4 different remotes and 4 different incantations to change inputs to the right "box". Having everything integrated into the same UI is a great step up.
Of course, if that UI is crap and then doesn't get upgraded, it negates all the advantages...
I wish HDMI-CEC worked better for everyone since it could theoretically solve the problem. It actually works well on our 7-year old TV. I don't even know where our AppleTV remote is (that one with the touch pad everyone keeps complaining about), we just use the TV's remote over HDMI-CEC.
Or Best Buy or Walmart want to differentiate commoditized products to consumers who can't tell the difference between two big black screens that look the same.
It's more about feature checklist pissing contests than any real benefit to the average consumer.
I disagree. A powerful smart TV is more practical for the average consumer than a more sophisticated system.
A big problem for entertainment lovers is that there are too many things to control, thus creating the all-in-one market. On the other hand, power users will insist on highly functional subcomponents that each bring a specific and glorious benefit.
And there you have it, all-in-one vs. subcomponents. Which does the average consumer belong?
i don't know, voice control for a TV sounds pretty cool. I generally hate voice control, but there's a few very specific tasks where I find it more useful than any other UI - namely setting an alarm or creating a calendar event. Changing the input on a TV could be one of those things, if only because every TV i've ever had has been so painful to change the inputs on.
I have a C7P and I can't see where an ad might display in the input selection menu. Also the remote has an input select button and it also automatically switches between inputs if they support CEC, so you don't have to even pull up the menu.
That being said, I have only ever connected it to the Internet twice via Ethernet to update firmware. Otherwise it remains offline.
FWIW, the professional edition of windows 10 also comes with ads for games pre-installed in the start menu, I guess that's just the world we live in now...
Edit: I feel I should add, in fairness, that this has to be done (the removal) per account. I suspect that there is a system directory somewhere that is used as a template but I have not so far bothered to figure out where it is. I guess I've just gotten too accustomed to the 'Unpin from Start Menu' dance.
They can haphazardly reappear in time. I've seen this happen on 2 completely unrelated PCs.
It's probably just bugged. I've found the W10 Start Menu in general to be dodgy. The keyboard-driven search seems like it's totally nondeterministic, e.g. exact string matches for the name of something in Control Panel sometimes finds it and sometimes doesn't.
The search speed is vastly worse than what it was on windows 8. A part of me wonders if that's due to the conversion from native languages to html+css+js for the start menu, but even so it's significantly laggy for that.
Another thing that really annoys me is that web results pop in above local results on the computer. I almost never search Bing via the start menu, and I'd love for a way to disable that but I also realize it's their main strategy for monetization for win 10 now that they're doing free rolling releases.
Android TV is free of ads. There's some space in the launcher for recommendations from content apps and Play Store, but those can be customized and turned off.
Samsung doesn't use Android TV, so it's definitely 100% Samsung here.
I bought it before ad's were "included". Honestly its a great tv if ad's are disabled. (ks8000)
If the manufacturer can keep costs lower because of the ad's included then I believe I get a substantial benefit by blocking the ads at home.
IIRC it's Samsung that is pushing the ads. In my case that I observed there's some content analysis that is being done so that they push relevant "smart" ads while a classic ad is being shown. It turns out the day that I saw that ad was the same day I unplugged my TV from the network.
I know some people were asked to return their computers, but I've heard that some companies crashed so hard that the computers were just abandoned with their users.
On an unrelated note, I am pretty upset that my Samsung ~$1200 TV has ads built into it.
Don't connect it to the interwebs. I don't have mine connected and have never seen an ad (granted it's two years old, so maybe it's only more recent models).
I think this is the most sane answer. Yes we do not want 'smart TVs' and we should vote with our wallet... But when all else fails why not 'hack'[1] it?
Yep, lets talk about the main demographic for big box TVs.
- Used to being advertised to constantly so it's not really more of an intrusion.
- Typically don't realize they can or have little desire to impose their will on technology.
- Usually very price discriminating so shaving a few extra dollars off with ad revenue does translate into more sales.
- Have demonstrated their value as someone with disposable income.
- "Smart features" are a novelty value-add that's really cheap to include and has basically no user expectation of working.
Match made in heaven honestly. If you really want a dumb TV you pretty much have to find somewhere that sells commercial models but you're going to pay a huge premium. They're on the way out too since businesses just opt for just buying the cheper consumer models.
Your realistic options:
- Find a Smart TV that can pass as a dumb TV and just never network the thing. Sony is pretty not terrible.
- Buy a projector.
- Buy a TV with a built-in Chromecast or wait for Android TV to happen which might be a not terrible enough experience to actually use.
I'm confused by dismisal of smart tvs as "novelty value add[s]", while simultaneously saying "buy a tv with a built in chromecast". That's pretty much what smart televisions are.
Mine has multiple streaming clients built in that work perfectly fine. It's literally running Android. The biggest problem with it is that it uses some private LG app store. If it didn't, I wouldn't own a Apple TV, but as it is, the built in tv apps are where I spend 90% of my time. They work. They're updated frequently. The experience is just better.
Smart TVs where the software is managed by the hardware vendor are IMO garbage. I'm saying if you can find a TV where the smart features are provided and managed by company whose device you were going to plug in the back anyway (Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast, etc.) then it's not too bad.
Isn't LG running webOS? Didn't think they had any Android based non "Android TV" models.
Honestly, it's pretty good, with the caveat that outside of the major streaming providers, the apps aren't very interesting. But it's not like we're talking a infotainment system from a car manufacturer, those things are 100% shit every time.
I love my Android TV, but I had to uninstall "Google play movies and TV" from it a few nights ago. It was playing movie trailers in the background of the home screen. I don't need to watch the trailer for skyscraper on continuous loop.
Auto-starting trailers for adult movies like Predator is a horrible experience if you have kids in the house. Who thought that's a good idea should never be allowed to make decisions.
Wow. We are really moving into a sad future where we will be watched and advertised to all the time. I guess self driving cars will also have an ad screen you probably can turn off for a premium.
I have one of their 4k oled tvs, but I don't see which ads you are talking about ?
To be fair my tv is mostly used to read my hard drive, youtube, netflix and games and not even connected to regular channels, so maybe I am missing something to get them.
On LG OLEDs, when you press the Home button, there's a sidebar on the left that consumes about 1/5th of the screen with an ad. Free trial of Starz, that sort of thing.
> On an unrelated note, I am pretty upset that my Samsung ~$1200 TV has ads built into it.
If you knew all the data it collects from you, you'd never give it internet access again:
- grabs the list of HDMI connected peripherals to see what other devices/consoles you use
- analyzes everything you watch using video recognition (similar to what Shazam does for music, so it works with shows that you download, stream, etc and yes it also works with porn)
- grabs the list of other devices it can see on the network so it knows if you're Mac or pc, iPhone or Android, etc
- cross advertises things on your other devices based on your browsing history (on your phone, computer) and viewing history from your tv: do you watch a lot of shows from HBO but you don't have a cable or satellite box connected to your tv? You'll now be a target for ads from HBO and your friendly neighborhood cable company to subscribe.
- tracks your tv viewing habits to provide real-time audience numbers and analytics to broadcasters
It's not like it's a secret, but the reach/extent of the surveillance is not very well known outside the adtech industry. Since working (and leaving in disgust) the industry, I swore to never ever give a smart TV my WiFi password. There is no good reason to do so, and it tries to exfilter way too much data to my liking.
I disabled Bixby and Facebook, my phone is flying, battery is amazing . Check out the ADB shell commands to uninstall/hide packages. Seriously, the phone didn't last more than 8 hours, now passed 14 hours and I will have 42 battery.
To be honest, I don't know if you can do it without a Samsung account, because I signed up when I first got the phone a year ago, but they only recently allowed disabling of the button in the settings (you had to use a third party app that would suppress it).
Of course it needs that permissions, that's how it works. If you can't make an informed decision then don't do it but otherwise it's no different than doing anything as root or administrator on your PC. Sometimes you need to run with elevated permissions to get something done.
Is there still a lot of energy being devoted to voice assistants? We seem to have hit a very deep trough on the hype cycle. And I'm not really surprised.
It really is an interesting platform that’s worth playing around with. You essentially define a set of “concepts and actions” (objects and functions, effectively), and then give Bixby example sentences for natural language training that specify which words represent input concepts and what the goal is (for instance, an action like “BookUber” or “FindHotel”), and Bixby dynamically generates the program for you, including adding steps on its own to prompt the user for missing information (i.e, you say “book a table at The French Laundry next Saturday at 7” and it knows it needs to ask you “for how many”). You can easily teach Bixby about context and continuing conversation, so you could say “change the reservation to Sunday” and it would know what you were talking about. And, it can even learn the user’s preferred defaults over time, so if you usually specify a table for two, it assumes that’s what you mean. (You’d be able to change that on a confirmation screen before it books anything, of course.)
Full disclosure: I’m a tech writer at Viv Labs, so I’m absolutely biased. :) But I acquired this bias from working with the product.