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> I found it quite painful to type on for more than about 20 minutes

I keep hearing this. I've been using the new keyboard for > 1 yr and I literally have no complaints. I have adjusted my typing style to a bit lighter of a touch as the keys don't travel as far, but I've not experienced any discomfort.




> I have adjusted my typing style to a bit lighter of a touch as the keys don't travel as far...

At work I’m surrounded by people rattling away in the latest MBP (I don’t use one myself).

From listening to the room as machines were replaced, I actually got the impression that the opposite was true; it sounded like people were typing harder.

From trying one of the keyboards out, I found myself typing more percussively too. Without tactile feedback I ended up slapping the keys pretty hard to be certain about actuation/bottoming-out (the same thing?).


I guess it just goes to show how different everyone types from each other and how well of a compromise the previous keyboard turned out to be, even if unintentionally.


I suppose. On the other hand if you type on every keyboard like it's an IBM Model M, any keyboard that isn't a high travel mechanical keyboard is going to be uncomfortable. I adjusted my typing style to fit the new MacBook keyboard, and I have no complaints.


I had no complaints about the butterfly keyboard (touchbar is meh) until I started using a mechanical keyboard again.

There was a learning curve teaching my fingers to use two distinct pressure techniques depending on the surface.

I've had keys stick and unstick. I'm glum about it. Feels like a matter of time before one doesn't unstick.


The second I need change to accommodate my hardware, is the second that hardware is replaced....

Of course I am typing this is on an mechanical keyboard with Cherry Switches, which is the only way to type


The DataHand has magnetically held keys. If you press them too gently, they don't move at all, so there's no chance of pushing them a bit but them not registering.

When you push hard enough to move them, they pass through an optical sensor and then can move a lot further, so there's effectively no equivalent to keys bottoming out, or the feeling of jamming your finger into a hard surface.

It's such a good design to invert both those problems and make them non-problems, I'm a bit sad I haven't seen it anywhere else on a more common style of keyboard.


I think the problem for me is that I use several different machines and they all feel similar enough that when I had to use the MBP it was so different that I never got totally used to it. Maybe it if were my only machine I would be okay with it in the long term. Guess I will never know though.


I don't find it painful, but it is noticeably less pleasant to type on even compared to other laptops.


I found the keyboard to be amazing for the first week.

But the clicky punch immediately degrades even if you don't get a nanoparticle under one of your keys. They regress quickly to a mushy tactile feel.

It's as if nobody at Apple tested the keyboard for more than a week, nor outside of a pristine cleanroom. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the root cause of all this, because I could see why someone would think the keyboard was an upgrade if that was the extent of the QA testing.

If the keyboard felt like it did the first week but for four years, I would consider it an upgrade. But it's a comically far cry from that.


I agree that the keyboard doesn't have quite the same "snap" that it did when it was new, but I still honestly prefer it to the older MacBook keyboards. Whenever I type on one they feel so squishy in comparison.


I really doubt they didn't do long-term QA on the mechanism, but I could definitely see how their emphasis on secrecy might have kept these keyboards in a room that was far cleaner than a normal laptop environment in many ways.


Same, I love the keyboard on mine. The older keyboards feel mushy in comparison, I enjoy the solid click I get with the new design.


Indeed, that's actually why I love it -- typing with a lighter touch means I can actually type for much longer than the old keyboard, without discomfort.


My experience is that people who LOVE touch bars, keyboards with less travel, touch screens instead of keyboards, and iPads instead of laptops - are less human. I'm not saying people with these preferences are not human, but I would just argue that they are less human than someone who fully experiences the humanity of a quality keyboard and mouse. Whereas someone who experiences no reduction in humanity when these pleasures are removed should be questioned! What do you experience as pleasures in your life? Do you enjoy counting grains of sand? Do you experience more discomfort when your super flat keyboard is dirty than when someone replaces your more ergonomic instrument with a less ergonomic one? Someone has to ask the hard questions! ;)




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