> If you don't find ORMs important, you're not alone, but you're probably not the target audience for Sails or Rails.

True. I used to use rails for my job and I never liked it. To much complexity and to much forcing you to do things a certain way. Which is not necessarily a bad thing - I dont like it.

Ive used ramaze for a very long time and Iam about to switch to hanami and/or vue.