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and I have the complete opposite view. Openstack is killing it even though it's as crappy as everything else in many ways. It's without cost, it's automatable, you don't build inhouse software to handle it, and you build applications that can withstand software and hardware failures.

Openstack isn't a replacement for configuration management.

The massive design by committee is fantastic, because you can help change and adapt where openstack goes. You don't have that option with insert vendor.

We just disagree completely




I've worked for two companies that hemorrhaged money trying to set up functional open stack environments. I was on an openstack security team for one company. Omg...yea I'm not going three. I don't feel like raging before bed.


I work for a company that is doing fine setting up functional openstack environments. It depends on how much you're willing to spend on it.

We've put enough resources to make it happen, and it's working out fine.


All open-source software has a cost. Here's a nice summary of where it shows up:

http://www.joetheitguy.com/2013/10/23/hidden-costs-of-open-s...

OpenStack even had its own assessment:

https://opensource.com/business/16/4/openstack-summit-interv...

My favorite part is this quote: "Hardware was a bit of a surprise, frankly. It's clearly a lot of money, but even doubling the utilization had a tiny impact compared to helping people get work done."

That's right. People in business, IT teams prefer to get shit done over see some utilization numbers go up. That they were surprised by this shows a disconnect from reality. Especially given all the cloud marketing talks about helping one get stuff done by focusing on core business instead of IT infrastructure. Double fail.


> It's without cost

Openstack is so expensive in implementation effort that I've repeatedly had to implement custom solutions because the effort requires to use Openstack would have totally blown the budget.

That there's no license cost does not make it without cost.


This is also true with paid software, it's still so expensive to implement.

So I'm saying, both are expensive to implement, but one I don't pay for the software on top of it.


What I was saying is that OpenStack is so expensive in terms of complexity that it often even pays to do custom development to avoid using it.


> It's without cost

The hell it is. Of course it has a cost. Cost of a product is more than what you pay for the license.


you build applications that can withstand software and hardware failures

Well with OpenStack you sure have to try to build apps that withstand software failure, because you get a lot of experience with it...


Openstack is really expensive.

It's free as in "here's a horse, it's free"; it actually has supremely high costs!

The marketing hype far exceeds the technical credibility. But the train has left the station.





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