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Hubspot (disclaimer: I hold a nominal number of shares I bought on IPO day, entirely because I like them) is, contrary to take in this article, a software company which makes a suite of things that are essentially me-in-a-box at a price point that a business with $500k in revenue can tolerate. With specific reference to the spam bit: they neither teach it nor allow it, because (like everyone else in email marketing) if one of their customers spams and they don't address that, Google/Yahoo/Microsoft will end their business.

The basic model on that side of the business is really simple: teach people how to write things that good prospects would find useful. Get them to write those things. Trade a copy for their email address and permission to send more things they will like. Send them more things they like, including recommendations on what you have that they should buy.

I know this sounds like black magic. It's not. Consider an insurance agent who sells to small businesses. They have zero software people in-house and perhaps 1.5 people who do marketing.

You tell those people "Write about the businesses you work with. Write about the kind or risks they have. Write the stuff you know that they don't about E&O policies and bind documents and what own occupation LTD means and how it is superior to any occupation LTD. Get the emails of businesses who could purchase from you. Then, after becoming their trusted advisor in the confusing world of insurance, sell them insurance. They did not do the research on E&O because they were fascinated with the subject intellectually. They did it because they have a legitimate need for it. Do the work upfront on education and you will be the obvious place to buy it from."

This works. Very well.

I can't comment on the company culture. Many startups seem pretty wild to me on that score. At the end of the day, though? It's a bunch of people, with jobs, engaged in honest labor. Insurance agents need marketing software; Hubspot makes it; this leaves the world a bit better off.




Consider an insurance agent who sells to small businesses. They have zero software people in-house and perhaps 1.5 people who do marketing.

You tell those people "Write about the businesses you work with. Write about the kind or risks they have... Do the work upfront on education and you will be the obvious place to buy it from."

This works. Very well.

It works very well, if you can get the insurance agent to follow your instructions. In my experience (I co-founded agentmethods.com, which is roughly "Hubspot for insurance agents"), the best insurance agents often aren't the best writers and frankly don't want to do the work.

In a world where everyone wants the results but nobody wants to do the work, you quickly find snake oil sales people showing up selling the promise of no-work instant results. We've all come across those sleazy SEO firms promising first page rankings for a phrase nobody searches for. I'm not saying that Hubspot is that firm, but it is the world they play in.


> This works. Very well.

Perhaps it does to some extent (especially if your competition is low), but eventually the pool installer from the article figured out that the real money was in selling others on the idea that "inbound marketing" works.


> Trade a copy for their email address and permission to send more things they will like.

...

> This works. Very well.

And has become annoying. Very annoying.

Recent "annoying web design trends" articles are listing this technique.


I delete about fifty or those things a day.


Why not just click unsubscribe at the bottom? I've found that's a very effective way to stop them being sent.


It's never just one list. As savvy inbound marketers, they added you to the list for their daily newsletter. But they also surreptitiously added you to separate lists for monthly and quarterly news, book releases, and events.

And since you didn't read the fine print, you didn't realize you were being signed up for those five lists at each of the parent company's properties.

But they all have separate unsubscribe links. So just when you think you're done hearing from them, you get an email from another list.

That's what happened to me recently when I signed up for daily "running tips" from a major publisher in the field. I ended up setting up a filter for the publishing company's name straight to spam. Then I hop in my spam box every week or so & unsubscribe.

Edit: today's lists were "You have been unsubscribed from our Men's Health Special Offers email list. Thank you." and "You have been unsubscribed from our Organic Gardening Special Offers email list. Thank you."


Fortunately, I have a folder for them and a Bayesian filter thing that puts most of them there.


If the following works well, then it's by sheer luck:

"Trade a copy for their email address and permission to send more things they will like."

I routinely delete emails about stuff I like, without ever reading it. It's still spam, and I don't want it in my inbox!


It is by definition not spam, because you asked for it. You said "I want that PDF, here is my email, please send me that PDF (or newsletter or course or whatever)."

You are obviously fully within your right to unsubscribe later, including immediately after downloading said PDF, but it's not spam by any real definition.


Only because of a dark pattern that obscured the fact they would continue to email me.

Regardless it's utterly ineffective. It goes straight to the trash.


There is no reason whatsoever to ask for an email other than to continue to email someone. Unless you're signing up for an account (which is a completely different flow), no reasonable person could honestly expect that they're just giving someone an email address so that they can get a PDF link and that that will be the end of it.


Which is precisely what happens. They always ask this question when you sign up for an account.


You don't represent the way a majority of the world thinks. It's important to remember that being someone that creates software for people


Actually, I do. The rate of sales to number of emails sent is minuscule. That's why there is so much spam!




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