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A Call for the Elimination of Joke Haiku Production on the Internet (2001) (woozle.org)
37 points by thristian on Oct 30, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 26 comments



    This article, I do declare,
    Makes a point that's as plain as it's fair.
    Let's all call a truce
    And end haiku use
    Or else I might strangle a bear.
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Now that that's out of the way...

I didn't agree with this, until it got to the limerick part. I don't have quite as much against haikus as the author, but in most (if not all) situations a limerick would get the job done so much better.


While I don't feel strongly about trivializing Haiku's grand traditions, I did find myself in the same shoes as the author. What always struck me about joke-haikus is that they're nothing more than a sentence with a couple line-breaks in it. A haiku should use minimal words to convey a story or invoke a shared memory or trigger your senses. The form is a part of the art: where and how you place the breaks is meaningful and should contribute to the feeling you want to convey. Instead, people think up a seventeen(-ish) syllable sentence and place the line-breaks as appropriate. Ugh.


mainly because a limerick is much more difficult to form correctly. A less than infinite number of monkeys could turn out a haiku in quick succession, a limerick on the other hand.


Tweet! Illegal use of limrick in haiku thread. Penalty offset by reference to bear. Play ball!


I fail to see how it's not a perfect analogy to say that this is just like a guy whining for an end to all internet meme images on the basis that photography has a long artistic tradition and should not be debased.

I get it that "joke haiku" are low-effort imitations of a noble and ancient art. So what? There's a place for low-effort dumb humor. That's okay. Your noble and ancient haiku are still there, unharmed. There is no poetry currency which is being devalued when cheap product floods the market.


Tweet! Failure of reply to take form of haiku. 12-yard penalty. Second down.


"Joke Haiku are used by Pseudo-Intellectual Poseurs to imbue Banal and Uninspired Quips with Undeserved Cachet."

The irony here clearly lost on the author.


    I ate your web page.
    Forgive me. It was juicy
    and tart on my tongue.
(An HTTP 404 message on mit.edu from the early days of the web.)


  I have eaten
  the webpage
  that was on
  the server

  and which
  you were probably
  hoping
  to retrieve

  Forgive me
  it was juicy
  and tart
  on my tongue.
Similarly, I wish people would stop writing third-rate parodies. Swapping a few words out from a famous song or poem to make it relate to your chosen subject is also not a great artistic achievement.


> Swapping a few words out from a famous poems or song to make it relate to your chosen subject is also not a great artistic achievement.

It certainly can be, if the re-imagining and the juxtaposition created are creative and surprising enough. But of course usually they aren't. Sturgeon squared.


I apologize, for writing joke Senryus, on the internet.


Don't tell me what to do – I can write poetry and jokes however I want. Stop pearl-clutching, ya nerd.


Traditional Haiku must evoke a season. Most 'haiku-form' prose doesn't meet the bar. Maybe we need another name?


How about "17 syllable zingers" or something like that, no?


Senryu. (It's in the article.)


Cool!


This boils down to: "Stop doing this, you're not enjoying it right!".


Imagine my distress, when I find that this is a lie:

  This is a haiku,
  Because this line has seven,
  And this line has five.
So now I must update it:

  Senryu is three lines,
  Seventeen syllables max,
  And knows no season.
You know, in barely related news, Dwarf Fortress now supports the invention and spread of poetic forms in the world generator. I'm sure that any one of those procedurally-generated forms would be acceptable for passing jokey-jokes around the Internet.


In fact, that isn't a senryu either.

Haiku and senryu count morae, not syllables. The mora is a unit of timing; a short syllable is one mora and a long one is two morae. So 'tokyo', which is two syllables, is counted as 4 morae since both 'o's are long. Similarly, 'Nippon' is counted as 4 morae - 'ni-p-po-n'.

Confusion about this is why English haiku tend to be so long: compare

    furu ike ya
    kawazu tobikomu 
    mizu no oto
to

    wind catches lily
    scatt'ring petals to the wind:
    segmentation fault


~I am shocked--simply shocked--that poetic forms don't transfer cleanly across languages.~

Iamb-out to declare that none of this really matters, trochee? Anapest-ilence upon the poetic purists!


I am surprised to see the word "hipster" in an article from 2001. It didn't become a popular word until at least a few years later.


Huh? I'm pretty sure "hipster" took off as a term back in the 1960s, associated with the whole countercultural movement going on then.

Google's n-gram viewer agrees -- it starts appearing in books in the 1950s, has some ups and downs, but was as popular as ever in 2000. [1]

[1] https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=hipster&case_i...


Sure, the word as existed since the 1940s, but was related to jazz and different from the modern usage.



I agree. The double dactyl verse form (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_dactyl) has far greater potential for comedy value.


  Metrical-schmetrical
  Internet commenters
  Think writing haiku is
  All fun and games.

  Seventeen syllables,
  Cutless and seasonless?
  Pseudopoetical --
  Let's call them names!




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