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I don't have a chance to watch the video right now but I'm curious to know when Atlas is launching, if anyone knows the date.

Also, I see from the comments on carsonified that they're going to charge $20 for the IDE. If anyone watches the video, I'd be interested to have that verified.


We have not released a price tag or date for Atlas 1.0. We have announced a developer beta program, which will give interested parties early access, for a nominal fee of $20.


You should consider a Dutch auction for a fixed number of slots. That may be interesting enough to attract more media attention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction


they're going to charge $20 for the IDE

Do not ask people who do not pay money for software how much money to charge for software.


It's interesting placement to be sure- I would expect they are competing against other rapid development tools, so would price it in the several-hundred dollar range. (WebObjects, Adobe CS, etc).

If they're trying to undercut their competitors, I think it may be an error.. Charging $20, rather than $400 will make people think it's cut-rate, and not up to the challenge. No one who's making a professional/moneymaking website will be stopped by a $400 charge.

This makes me suspect that perhaps they're after the Wix/weebly market. Drag and Drop a website, rather than a professional-level tool. These tools are consumer facing, and don't generally resemble the Atlas versions I've seen much.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about Atlas, and look forward to buying a copy, but I'd rather do so knowing that that company is making enough to hire competetant engineers to keep expanding it! ;)


I believe the $20 fee is only for access to the beta program. My understanding is that you will have to buy Atlas when the final version comes out, and they haven't disclosed the price of it.


This is precisely correct.


Ah! That makes a lot more sense, thanks for the clarification.


Launches on Nov. 15 for $20 (according to the video).


They are launching a beta on Nov. 15th which will be $20.


NYC rocks. It's clean and one of the safest cities in the U.S. these days. Whether you can find a job is another question.


In contrast there is a layer of garbage and grime everywhere in New York City. So much so that after a day of walking around in the summer, you can turn a white handtowel black just by wiping the sweat off your brow...

That's because the NYC summer is hot, not because the city is dirty. (Maybe you have oily pores?)


That's because the NYC summer is hot

That's true, but it's still a dirty city. However, it's a different type of dirty than SF. The dirty parts of SF are dirty due to insanity and apathy. NYC is dirty because there are so many people out and about, all the time.


I've noticed this as well. NYC is grimy and can get dirty, but it's not the kind of unsanitary filth that you might find in a sewer. As such, I don't mind walking about all day and getting a bit sooty, at least I won't catch something from it.


Hopefully this means he'll be funny again.


There's nothing so spectacularly funny as a bunch of Americans paying you millions to play a couple of scenes in a half-baked slap-stick comedy that'll require hardly any comedic effort.


I don't know...getting Norwegians to pony-up for your divorce decree is damned funny too.


"The Lean Startup is a trademark and service mark owned by Eric Ries"

His ideas sounds awfully similar to YCombinator's.

Grounds for a patent dispute?

Does pg really own Lean Startup?


A trademark is a distinctive sign or indicator [1]. It has nothing at all to do with patents [2] or "ideas."

Coca Cola and Pepsi each own trademarks for their respective names and likenesses, but neither own patents on the idea of selling sugared water.

  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
  [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent


Ok, point taken, I wasn't aware of the distinction between patents and trademarks.

But my point is, don't you find it at all absurd that Eric Ries is trying to own the term "Lean Startup"? It strikes me as being a little ridiculous.


I don't see any indication that Eric Ries himself is attempting such a thing. It seems like a cover-your-ass move on the part of the group originator (Rich Collins).


Are we patenting ideas now?


I apologize in advance if this question is intrusive but is there any possibility it could have been an accident?

Sometimes the line can be blurry. Accidental suicides do happen. Especially since there was no note.


Unfortunately, the way I found him pretty much rules that out. I'm foregoing description to be kind to family and friends, but it wasn't something you accidently do. A couple minor things he did directly beforehand which would seem completely innocuous to everybody but me also gives me confidence in the conclusion.


A few years ago a very close friend of mine killed himself. Reading this today has brought up a lot of old feelings, and one new one; I feel like I really need to reach out and tell you that what you're going through and what you're about to go through will be very difficult, but you will come out the other side.

Suicide is one of those things that I don't think we can ever reconcile in our minds. I've never resolved the questions raised up by my friend's death, but I promise that you do learn to find a quiet place for the feelings that I'd imagine have you mentally turning in dizzy circles right now.

My thoughts are with you. If you'd like to talk please don't hesitate to get in touch.

Take care, Emmanuel.


Suicide is one of those things that I don't think we can ever reconcile in our minds. ... You do learn to find a quiet place for the feelings

I second this. A close friend killed herself 15 years ago, and I still think of her, probably at least once a month, and mourn her, and wonder what her life would be like if she were still alive. But that remembrance comes from a quiet place, certainly much quieter than in the months surrounding the event. It doesn't stop, but it does change.

My condolences to all affected by this loss.


the way I found him

I didn't realize until seeing this that you were the person who found him. Please don't be afraid to seek counselling if you have flashbacks / nightmares / difficulty sleeping / etc -- post-traumatic stress disorder is very commonly experienced by those who find suicide victims.


Maybe its just me, but there seems to be a stigma regarding the act of seeking counseling. However, people should seek counseling just as often as they would a general practitioner as the mind needs just as much care to stay healthy as does the body. In any case, it's immensely gratifying to have someone who you know will not feel burdened by your issues and can offer you guidance through a very troublesome period of life.


That sounds pretty traumatic and I am incredibly impressed that you have the wherewithal to handle the community relations part after that.

That said it is probably a good idea to really get to the bottom of your feelings about it once you get a little breathing room. I mean don't try to 'just push through' and bury yourself in work in order to suppress grief.


My God. I'm not going to parrot the "seek counselling" line because I don't think that is necessary.

What I would ask you to do though is to keep talking about it, as much as you can with people you trust. It'll help your healing. Whatever you do, share your feelings with someone.


There's almost no possibility it was accidental. I know it's impossible to stomach and the mind has the find a pattern or assign a reason when facts seem to "not add up".

Everyone wants to ask these questions, so I don't fault you for asking.


Leaving a suicide note is supposedly a lot less common than our popular belief (from movies or books that depict fictional suicide situations) tell us...


I've been futilely reading his recent FriendFeed and Twitter updates for some inkling as to what could have triggered this tragic act.

http://friendfeed.com/danhau http://twitter.com/danhau

Not so much as a smidgen of a hint. His comments seemed consistent up until the last with no hint of despair. No wonder this caught people by surprise. It's flabbergasting.

My condolences to everyone close to Dan. Although I didn't know him personally, he seemed like a terrific guy.

What sad news.


I find the color schemes don't translate well to a web design from the format that they present on Kuler. But maybe that's just me.


Despite this, Bitbucket is great. Private repository with a free account option - you don't get that on GitHub.


OTOH, since Github has some of my money, they have a bit more of an obligation (and incentive) to keep their servers up. Free services come and go as the owner pleases. (Hello, ma.gnol.ia.)


Not really - Bitbucket have gotten quite some of my money.

And yes I am considering chancing that, but mostly because I can't find a good mercurial client for windows.


$15,000 in revenue in the first month is impressive.

Unless they made that up.

However, even if it's a fabricated figure (and I'm not saying that it is), they would not be the first company to lie to the press to generate some hype. I also don't believe it would be against the law, except perhaps if someone were to rely solely upon that information to make a decision about whether to invest in the company.


Unless they made that up.

I've met them and can assure you they're a lot smarter than that.


Um, why wouldn't they make it up?


Newsflash: It IS possible for Web startups to generate revenue.


i wouldn't call RentHop a 'web startup' ... they're a business that operates very much in the real world ... the web is simply their interface for doing meatspace business. i usually think of web startups as existing purely in cyberspace (wow that's a 90's term heh), where end-users are less likely to want to pay for services. in the real world of apartment hunters, brokers, landlords, etc., people are used to paying money immediately for goods & services.


They benefit from the scalability of the Web, so I would consider them a Web startup.


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