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In Modesto, CA unlawful discharge of a firearm (firing into a neighbor's yard because you believe the CIA is flying a surveillance drone there probably qualifies) might land you in jail as well. The victim didn't call the police.



That just raises more questions. Forgive me, I'm Australian.

Why, after having live fire arms discharged in your direction (on 3 separate occasions) did the victim NOT call the police?

And why after going to small claims court, was the shooter not brought up on this? The shooter doesn't appear to have disputed the claim that he shot in the direction of someone else's property.


I wouldn't call the American police on a burglar, if I caught him. They have too high a chance of being insane and dangerous, and someone might get shot even if the situation has settled, and it might even be me.

(This has, in fact, happened. Turns out the guy didn't know I was home and just wanted a place to sleep, so I put him up in the living room on an air bed and told him to take a shower before leaving)


Are you talking about the police being insane and dangerous?


The Guardian seems to think they're pretty dangerous: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-p...

More anecdotally, I've seen quite a few stories of people who called police for fairly routine visits that ended with somebody getting shot, after the police escalated the situation.


I regularly see stories about Americans calling the police and getting shot as a result.


If you regularly see stories about it, then it must be a common occurrence. Like how everyone who uses TOR is a pedophile or terrorist.


Thing is, we have numerous specific atrocities that are cited in these stories, which we do not, to my knowledge, have about Tor.


No, the thing is that violent encounters with the police are reported by the media, and nonviolent encounters are not, because they're not news.

Based on reporting, one could also assume American blacks are violent thugs, Muslims are hate filled radicals, and all the Jews in the world are in Israel.


Thing is, your example fits in with "the natural order of things". No one is surprised that some members of a general group of people are "violent thugs", since there are people who are like that. Ditto "hate filled radicals", and there are observably many Jews in Israel, it was established for that exact purpose.

Whereas there's a mainstream theory that police are there to "protect and serve" the non-criminal population in a Western nation, it's not supposed to be in the natural order that they're e.g. observably eager to kill your dogs given the slightest opportunity.

It's very counterproductive, to the extent they in theory exist to preserve order, it deprives them of vital information. It's extraordinarily short sighted to behave that way, for so called "good cops" to look the other way when "bad cops" do that, in a thoroughly armed society they have no hope of disarming.


You're making the wrong inference from this, I think.

The thing about news agencies, and journalism in general, is that they generally report on rare or unusual incidents. If Americans were regularly getting shot as a result of calling the police, it would be commonplace, and thus no longer newsworthy, so you would not see these stories.


Yes, especially around blacks, immigrants, and transgendered (I am one or more of the above).


As am I. And I still feel you are hugely overreacting.


The drone operator probably would prefer not to get the authorities involved for a few reasons:

1. It is usually less hassle to attempt a mutual resolution without involving a third party.

2. The local authorities may restrict the use of the drones.

3. It is generally a good idea to be on good terms with your neighbours.




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