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> Except for the fact that global temperature is falling, not rising - dependent on how (and where) you measure it.

Cite please. I'm not doubting your sincerity at all but this is not something I've heard presented as fact elsewhere.




While it's a reasonable view to hold that temps have been falling since 1998, it's hard to point out a source (on either side) that hasn't been called into question. Just google on "global temperature since 1998" and similar, and you'll see lots of partisan debate and screaming about it on the front page. Unfortunately, everyone on both sides seems to cherrypick data to avoid letting facts get in the way of Truth, and it's very hard to know who, if anyone, has an unbiased desire to present data.


With all due respect, you haven't answered the question. You've made a factual statement: "global temperature is falling." It should be trivial to back that statement up with evidence. You refuse to do so, and in doing so reframe your original point to the substantially weaker statement "temps have been falling since 1998." That latter assertion is indeed trivial to support: here[1] is a data set that supports that second assertion. You will note the central point that the narrowly-framed question can be true while the broad implication can be false.

If you are going to stand by the statement "global temperature is falling" I would again ask for a citation.

If you cannot or will not back up your assertion with evidence, please do not couch them in the terminology of fact. "JFGI" is not a citation.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/climate-data-ugl...


You've made a factual statement: "global temperature is falling."

That's so easily checkable that I'm not sure why you'd assert it. You can just reread the post you just replied to. I did not say that. I have not edited that post.

The closest I came was that it was reasonable to believe that global temperature fell after 1998, and suggested that since I know of no source of data which isn't disputed by one side or the other, it's pointless for me to track down data to support a claim I haven't made.

If you are going to stand by the statement "global temperature is falling" I would again ask for a citation.

I have no plans to stand by someone else's statement. Thanks, anyway.

I did support my actual claim that it was reasonable for a third party to believe that global temperature is falling, by pointing out that google's first page of results provides many examples of vociferous arguing both ways. I really have no idea what global temperature is doing, apart from the obvious fact that it's not increasing or decreasing so quickly as to be unmistakable, since lots of mistaking is going on, one way or the other.

"JFGI" is not a citation.

On the assumption that you're unable or unwilling to copy/paste or type "global temperature since 1998" into Google yourself to see this first page of results, here's a handy link http://www.google.com/search?q=global+temperature+since+1998 . Sheesh.


You're right, I confused you with iuguy, mea culpa.


I apologize for my peevish tone, above. :/


It was absolutely justified.




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