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before you can assert that you have to calculate how much worse your fill rate will be due to the selling of your order flow

smart traders know that fills are what counts. great brokers can get consistently better fill rates while terrible brokers will not only charge you a commission and get you bad fills or in this case, not even try to get that for you because their business model is based on it




Your fill rate cannot be worse. The mechanics:

1) Place a trade. 2) Trade goes to internal dark pool. Maybe someone who paid for order flow fills it, maybe not. 3) In the absence of a fill on the internal dark pool, the trade is routed to the markets at large.

The only difference is who your anonymized counterparty is.


"Your fill rate cannot be worse"

I don't think that is true, conceptually. Lets say that by going to the dark pool and being processed through to the exchange you lose priority on your order. Then your fill rate could be worse.

Not that I think this is a reason to chose to use robinhood or not.


Oh, you mean because of the added latency on the dark pool check? As I understand the mechanics of these, it's as follows:

1) Place an order. 2) Broker checks the darkpool - if a match is found, trade internally. 3) Route to the public market.

Step 2 can add latency, reducing your fill rate. So can playing music on youtube while doing step 1 probably adds more latency. And the latency in both cases is vastly lower than the latency you get from trading over 3g (robinhood is a mobile app, which to me seems moronic).


Well latency is the easiest scenario to conjure (and I agree with you about it not being an issue).

Another way you could see worse fill rates would be a customer places a limit order that puts them somewhere back in the book. This limit order happens to trigger some threshold for the order flow trading algorithm that causes it to back off of it's own orders (lets say it cancels some orders on the back of the other side of the book). This in turn causes a price shift that moves away from the customers limit order making it fill later.

Clearly we are in the realm of pure speculation and probably not something that is important to the customers of robinhood. I was just pointing out that conceptually, by selling their order flow, robinhood could impact fill rates.

My guess is that this is more than offset by the lack of fees.




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