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You're moving the goalposts. First, you suggest that US citizens are unlikely to support industrial espionage because they don't support it when China does it to us. Now, you suggest they don't support it because the word "espionage" is scarier than the word "war". Neither argument is strong, but at least be coherent.



That is not true and I have done nothing of the sort. You may in fact be reading something into what I said that I did not say or intend.

I used an analogy of the PRC spying on the US to show that Industrial Espionage is something the public would care about (notice the 'Eh. Who cares? part). It is an issue that evokes a response. Next I specifically state that the opinion of Industrial Espionage in general is negative:

In a general sense I think its a pretty defensible claim to say that the majority of X country's citizens oppose industrial espionage.

People may think it is 'justifiable' (for any number of reasons) but I do not think they would believe it is a good or noble practice (again note that I used the word 'general'). I then go on to clarify, by saying the opinion/matters get muddy when you ask specifically if their government should be doing it, rather than just discussing the idea in general.

I never said anything about 'espionage' being a more frightening word than 'war'. Because lets face it... 'war' is a much more frightening thing that generally involves a lot of death. You implied that onto the conversation.

Regarding coherency... I think maybe you didn't read what I wrote, but what you wanted to think I wrote (or were expecting to read).


So you're saying that a majority of Americans like to lie, cheat, and steal their way to the top? That they prefer to have this criminal activity done for them, by their government, because after all everyone else does it.

Well you're certainly leading this non-American to conclude that your nation deserves, then, exactly what it gets. It ain't so special.


Which country are you from? Maybe it'd be helpful for us to take a close look at how they've conducted themselves in the state of nature, which is where/how countries interact.


My country is irrelevant. It is your country that is screwing up the worlds' trust.


Out of interest how are smaller countries like Luxembourg or Moldova doing in this dept? Do their governments sponsor espionage actions?




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