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New Top-Level Domains (icann.org)
47 points by bachback on Nov 20, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 75 comments



22+ of the approved domains from the list of 30 are all signed to a a single startup[0] called Donuts[1]. ( http://www.donuts.co/ )

Apparently they raised $100M[2] back in 2012.

They have since agreed to distribute these domains through 19 registrars[3] (eNom, Name.com etc)...

Looking at their ICANN PIC submission[4] they have registered no fewer than 200-250 LLCs

[0] : https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...

[1] : http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Donuts

[2] : http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/05/technology/donuts-domains-fu...

[3] : http://www.donuts.co/news/donuts-adds-another-seven-generic-...

[4] : https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...


http://www.donuts.co/about/team/

Do a ctrl+f for "ICANN" and you'll see how well-networked the Donuts.co team is. Can't be sure if this is true cronyism, or whether they just really know how to play the game. Not sure it's terribly different either way.

--Edit--

per chrisacky's link above (http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/05/technology/donuts-domains-fu...), it looks like Donuts.co submitted 307 applications at $185k/per, for a total of $56.8 million. That's a hell of a way to earn favors with ICANN while ostensibly just trying to get more picks.


".WINE is perfect for a winery!"

What are these guys drinking? I'll give it a miss.


You can see what a huge scam and insider money play this was by just looking at the names of the companies that got these TLDs.


If you're looking for a more open source approach to domain names, check out http://namecoin.info and http://dot-bit.org


I was a little disappointed to learn that NameCoin domains are so cheap (0.001 NMC), and therefore rampant with squatters. I suppose there will always be an incentive to create a market and seek rents no matter what the domain system. Nonetheless, I hope NameCoin or something like it gains greater traction.

I found myself wondering the other day how long it will be before we see an attempted disruption of Google by a search crypto-currency.


They're currently 0.01NMC to register/update actually. Which is quite cheap, but trying to mine 0.01NMC isn't as easy as it used to be. It is the second most difficult to mine coin that exists in the world.

It would take somebody ~3 days of mining with a basic multi-GPU mining rig just to acquire the 0.01 NMC to register a domain name.

And the difficulty is jumping through the roof: http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php


Thanks for the correction. NMC is still cheap in the secondary market, though; the current price puts it around a penny per domain.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still rooting for NameCoin, and I think distributed DNS is sorely needed. I just think it faces an uphill climb for adoption by users, browsers, and OS vendors.


That's a really intriguing idea. How do you imagine it working?


That's the rub, isn't it? :)

It could create a market system for search terms, similar to NameCoin; it could allow "mining" by providing rewards for validated indexing. I could see there being huge incentives for a 51% attack, though.

Alas, I'm more of a UX guy than a crypto hacker, so such things are out of my ken. But I definitely see a market for a Distributed Autonomous Corporation that provides search, and it would have a much easier on-ramp with users compared to competing with DNS.


It can't, really. There's nothing remotely like web indexing in a crypto currency. Indexing websites is massively storage and bandwidth intensive, something which a distributed blockchain is not designed for. It's a nice idea to make a distributes search engine, but has nothing to do with Bitcoin.


Yeah, I wasn't implying that the specifics of BitCoin would work well for a hypothetical SearchCoin. NameCoin is feasible because the volume of data is much smaller, both for keys and values, and updated infrequently.


The thing that sticks out most to me is how poor these extensions are from a marketing & naming standpoint.


Agreed. I suspect that many of these LLCs can be traced back to a handful of large companies.


The various LLCs all track back to Donuts. See http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Donuts for more details on the company.


Interesting to see the list that are still contested (like .corp and .inc )


In the short term, I'm not too worried: consumers not wanting to enter long/weird domains will probably cause most of these to fade into obscurity.

On the other hand: is ICANN completely broken? This could have more serious ramifications down the road...


I think it's super suspect that ICANN, a non-profit organization with a purpose to maintain "the stable and secure operation" of the Internet (as described by Wikipedia), can allow this to happen.

Do these additional generic top-level domains bring any benefits - beyond being a license to print money for the tld sponsor&registrars?


Do they have any meaningful costs?


One pretty big cost is the risk of confusion when visiting "somebrandname.sometld", especially if it's a different entity from the ".com" domain.

It can also be a cost (both moneywise and as a time sink) for brands wishing to protect their identify, if the number of tlds increases with a magnitude. (Multiplied by the number of misspellings and hyphenations etc).

It's probably likely to break a lot of (buggy) software (just try entering an @example.museum email around the web today).

Non-technical people are likely to be confused (so increased support costs, re-education, etc).

What happens to a gTLD and all the registered subdomains, when its sponsoring corporation goes under?

The DNS root zone grows, which may have undesirable costs for caching nameservers and DNS traffic.

It feels like a waste of energy and time that a non-profit like ICANN could have used for more constructive work.


good points.

In terms of the semantics: in the end it's up to people using it. I'm more worried about profiteering than confusion. But it's for the market to figure it out.

I don't think the traffic is significant. caching is very easy - you don't need to have all 10^12 - 10^15 domains on disk and even if the size per record is tiny.

Bugs are less significant than possible collisions and fraud.

Definitely agree with the sentiment that ICANN is broken.


It's interesting to see a lot of the domain endings are longer than the standard domains today. It'll be interesting to see what they do with them. Some of the choices seem a little odd considering the price to pay, such as .bike, .guru, or .tips.

I don't like that people (with money) will start buying up these generic top level domains and have complete control over who uses them. I would rather see a non-profit registrar of sorts but I know that would probably never happen.


I could see .tips and .gugu could making some sense. eg iphone.tips, php.guru, etc. But .bike is definitely weird.


trek.bike ?

Owning the TLD will probably ensure top ranking in that keyword's search results.


It would definitely help, but I don't think it'd be a silver bullet.

http://moz.com/search-ranking-factors

I'm seeing the domain name considerations well below bigger factors (link juice, page rank, etc.)


Really hoping nobody registers ".js" -- would wreak havoc on searches for a lot of common Javascript libraries like "underscore.js"

Similarly I could see someone registering the ".html" or ".php" tld and causing some huge issues.

Although I must admit, owning the domain "index.html" would endow huge nerd cred.


Two letter gtlds are reserved for countries only.


To nitpick, "gtlds" are generic top level domains (.com, .net, .etc), while the reserved two-letter tlds are ccTLDs (country-code top level domains).


Google has applied for .zip


Do we know yet how browsers will be treating these tlds? Eg if I type "diamonds" into the Chrome omnibar will it take me to a Google search for "diamonds" or to http://diamonds


ICANN made a decision late in the game to not allow "dotless" domains, i.e. making "diamonds" resolve to something the TLD owner decides.

This crushed the business model of most of the new TLD operators, so don't expect them to be around in a few years.


following up, ICANN's announcement and reasoning: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-30au...


The most prominent example is the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) to deliver electronic mail. It requires at least two labels in the FQDN of a mail address. Thus standard-compliant mail servers would reject emails to addresses such as user@brand.

Do most mail servers follow this rule?


I remember some ccTLD had A records a while back (bs. was one), but they lacked MX. I think it would just cause lots of form validation errors if that suddenly changed, not to mention the confusion you'd cause with people expecting a suffix. I cause enough issues with not having a ".com" on my email address, people love adding a .com.


Interesting that the fully-qualified (with a dot suffix) URL http://nic.diamonds./ brings up a 404...


Well, I wonder how that affects mobile. Since there is a move to mobile app topology of information consumption, wonder if domain names will still be relevant 5 years from now.

On the same note why TLDs, not just have a 'name registry'. Seems like technical dictates what is not natural. Why I can't have website name for example "burger" or "pizza" I get that there are designations and control entities. But isn't it a bit contrived? I am not against dot notation but whole synthetic user facing naming system...


you CAN technically do that in this way

if you buy .pizza you could technically host one website at

http://www.pizza


I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but www is just another subdomain. http://www.pizza is technically no different from http://superawesometasty.pizza.


No - if pizza is owned by one TLD registrar www.pizza and great.pizza would be two separate subdomains under that TLD. I'm not sure there are limitations to the subdomain under the TLD (to prevent collision with www). Someone can register www under .com and make a www.www.com.


I wasn't saying they were interchangeable, just that on a technical level http://www.pizza and http://great.pizza function in exactly the same way, as far as DNS is concerned.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said for most browsers, but that's another topic...

And I'm sure www is a reserved term under most of the new TLDs. Haven't checked though.


We don't need 50 crappy new domain extensions. We just need one new one that works well like .com.

Personally, I had high hopes for .co, but it doesn't seem too well adopted yet.


It's definitely getting there. It seems .io is where it's at, though, despite the price.


Why waste time with useless and long TLD's and not introduce a single-letter TLD's, such as .a .b .c ...etc ?

Or .js - to make Silicon Valley go orgasmic?


Look at the trends- It's very funny-- the language generator... Almost all these domains are owned by one entity.


These domains appear to be going for $30/year, at least the ones operated by Donuts (ie, most). See http://www.101domain.com/domain-availability-search.htm and then search for foobar.bike


Looking at this, I see the reference to a couple of different dates. There's the "Sunrise Open" and the "Sunrise Close" dates, then there's the "General Availability" date. What does each mean?


Gandi does a pretty good job explaining this [1] as a 'trademark brand protection phase'. Basically, if you have a registered trademark and want to defend it from others registering <YourTrademark>.<NewTLD> your opportunity to do so is during this phase. The rest of us commoners get to by the leftovers starting on the General Availibility date.

[1] http://www.gandibar.net/post/2013/10/29/The-launch-of-the-ne...


Ah, alright. That explains it, thank you!


Oh. no - not language specific TLDs! They wanted to introduce them like 7 years ago, and a lot of people agreed that it would just be a detriment to the Internet as we know it (freely accessible and global).


Don't you think that .com and .info and .biz etc. already are language specific? They are just specific to the/a language you happen to speak.


There's no reason to have a separate namespace though. .com in other languages should just map to .com domains.


Not anymore than any other abbreviation.

.com = commerce

.gov = gov't

.net = network

.org = organization

These are simple terms associated with the language of those who invented the net, so it's no more specific than asking us to call "feta" cheese by its real name, even though it's not in our language.


How does recognizing global languages as "first class citizens" make the internet less global?


Can you type in these?

شبكة (xn--ngbc5azd) – Arabic for "web/network"

онлайн (xn--80asehdb) – Cyrillic for "online"

сайт (xn--80aswg) – Cyrillic for "site"

游戏(xn--unup4y) – Chinese for "game(s)"

Can you eve view them?

Yeah, Google will help, but if the trend continues, the Internet will become less global. One language is better in this case.

Imagine if programming languages were in different languages with their respective characters - everything would be harder and everyone would have a whole lot to lose.


Are you advocating that the entire world should speak one language - English?

How is typing an Arabic or Cyrillic domain disadvantageous to those that read and write Arabic or Cyrillic? Especially when the resulting site is very likely to contain content in that same language.

Your argument seems very self-centered, and quite exaggeratedly so: you'd prefer disadvantaging non-English speakers when accessing content you wouldn't ever consume, simply because you are more comfortable with Latin characters yourself.


Oh, not this again. I am not against other languages, people, races, or whatever.

It just makes A LOT of logical sense to use one goddamn language online. It's not the offline world, it's been created from scratch, and English is already used in most (all?) programming languages, as well as most of the websites people actually use (although they do use region/country level translation).

Why screw that up?

It's a bit like if the US let Texas and California use Spanish as the official language, and the other states used English.


> It just makes A LOT of logical sense to use one goddamn language online

I don't think you'd be saying that if the one goddamn language was something you didn't speak.


I don't want to seem condescending or sound like a jerk, but actually, yes I would. That's because up until 10 years ago, I didn't speak English and it severely limited what I could do, both online and offline.


I love the .today domain.

Anyone knows which registrars are supporting these new domains?


http://www.donuts.co/ is running it. Most of these have nic.gtld up and running. nic.tattoo is my favourite so far.


I am with the impression that they wont be made available to the public - or at least not for a flat fee.


Actually I was of the impression that new gTLDs wouldn't be accepted unless they were generic enough and available to the public. (so no buying ".google")


Gandi has some listed on the site available for pre-order, but I don't see .today

https://www.gandi.net/domain/price/info


Check out: http://vps1.dnts.net/tlds/ -- this is the timing on most of the domains.


.guru seems like a good one with tons of app/saas appeal


I am sure someone proposed the .meow or .cat domains. I just wonder how far they got




Can we have this TLD:

.yetanotherkindausefulbutmaybenottld ? :)


still holding out for clownpenis.fart


Might as well just start using freetext at this point. Register your search term with Google, then forget about it.


Sounds like the AOL keyword days. :)


I have brokered .com domains for many startups over the past few years, and I can say almost every time the domain was fairly priced and a deal was reached without too much negotiating or time wasted.

I really think a lot of startups shoot themselves in the foot by just saying "everything in .com is taken." Well maybe, but that doesn't mean you can't pay $2-5k and actually secure your domain.

What I am saying is shelling out a few grand now for the appropriate .com will save you loads of time and headaches than if you try to brand on non dot-com and eventually realize you can't live without it.


I think I disagree. .com is mostly a historic artefact. how about my.startup?


> how about my.startup?

Why would you want "startup" as part of your permanent brand identity?




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