That's pretty much where I was going with my comment. The tractor displaced people from the work they knew, but it allowed them to find new forms of productivity over the long term and do things well beyond what ever could have accomplished while guiding horses around the farm. I imagine individuals felt some big pains during the transition though.
Even if the computer can give rise to certain groups today, is there any reason to believe things will not even out again? The people losing their farms back in the day probably felt much like those being devalued by computers feel today.
At the same time, the amount of education required to make a decent living has increased, to the point that today you might need a graduate degree to make a middle class white collar living. Whereas years ago, high school was enough. Pre-tractor days you hardly needed middle school. This is a significant mobility problem when you virtually have to crapshoot your life and hope you chose the right field. With increased automation, the level of understanding of a subject or business needed is so great that the average person may never find a genuine opportunity to break out. Try being a rockstar entrepreneur straight out of college outside of app development. At some point even apps will be full of entrenched players like other fields.
This is why I believe this time is different - a basic income is needed or else the populace will be like serfs with little mobility from their trade. In other words, a caste system.
> Pre-tractor days you hardly needed middle school.
Only because the teacher was built-in to the job, so to speak. I've taking up farming the last several years and have found it to be worlds more difficult than anything I've encountered in the tech industry. However, my father and grandfather have been working alongside me and are able to share their wisdom. I'm the seventh generation to work the land we own, and my family farmed elsewhere before that, so the knowledge amassed and passed down over the years is staggering.
Though the software industry has gone much the same way, in my opinion. While it may not be your father passing down the knowledge, you have all of the world's programmers at your quick and easy disposal through the very machines you are working with. That is just as powerful as what farmers have always had available, and probably why we're watching formal education devalue, if anything, especially as other industries try to copy the model. In fact, I think that may even further emphasize that all roads eventually lead to mediocracy over the long term.
I recognize your point about farming and its difficulties, but you are running the farm. Starting and running a business in any field is difficult and requires immense domain knowledge.
My point about occupational mobility is more about as an employee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it easier to obtain work as a farmhand than as a software engineer, in terms of credentials and experience required?
There will be a definite decrease in occupational mobility if everyone had to train for years, paying for an education or not, just to be considered entry level.
There will be a definite decrease in social mobility if this kind of training is required for even mediocre paying jobs. At least as an engineer I can work for a few years, save money, and try to break out later.
Running a business comes with its own challenges, but I was really only referring to the work directly related to farming. Maybe my brain is just better wired for computing tasks, or something, but it has always seemed so much easier to me.
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it easier to obtain work as a farmhand than as a software engineer, in terms of credentials and experience required?
You're going to have trouble finding a engineer's salary (it's possible) on the farm without tons of experience and a proven track record, but you are right that "green" employees are often hired for little pay with hopes of making them good at the job.
Farming is interesting is that it is highly constrained by time. When the crop is ready to come off, it must come off now. You cannot wait for six months to find the best employee like you often see in other fields. Most farmers would rather have the highly trained people – I think I hear about farm talent shortages more than I hear about tech talent shortages – but in the absence of talent, you have to hire somebody, else the work isn't going to get done at all.
Because of the time constraints, you're often left hiring anybody you can find and hope their lower pay makes up for the mistakes they will inevitably make. Engineering firms, on the other hand, would rather wait for someone who isn't going to make those mistakes. They tend to have that choice, farmers do not. If we had more skilled farmhands, so that farmers could actually be picky, I expect it would become far more difficult to find a job on the farm without skills though.
I see what you are saying though. I will note that educational requirements usually indicate that you have too many people competing for the same job. You'd need a PhD in agriculture to get a labouring job on the farm too if everyone wanted to be a farmer. Most people believe it is a horrible job though, so they run as far away as they can from it.
Even if the computer can give rise to certain groups today, is there any reason to believe things will not even out again? The people losing their farms back in the day probably felt much like those being devalued by computers feel today.