"Checking my history on HN, I find yours is the only argument that I have summarized as "Fuck You." Let me know if you find another I have forgotten."
heh! (a) what you did historically is of no relevance to what you are doing now (b)even if true, that still doesn't make your collapsing my argument into "Fuck You" correct paraphrasing.
I made it clear in the original argument and then again in response to your (inaccurate imo), paraphrase that I was saying something other than "Fuck You!".
What I said was
"If you don't like X , that is fine. If you want to express your thoughts , that is fine. If you don't want to work on Rails, that is fine too.
What is not fine is you expecting me (or anyone else) to think the way you do and say only things you like to hear just because of your feelings are offended. Being offended is your privilege. How much I should care about that is mine."
If you are still hearing that as "Fuck You", it may be because you choose to collapse it to "Fuck You I can't help it. " It's just too bad.
EDIT (responding to raganwald's edit where he said)
"In the mean time, no you didn't say those words. I heard them"
yes that is what I thought as well. My suggestion is that you "check your hearing" because "Fuck you" is not what I said.
" I suggest that others heard those words when reviewing the various non-pologies flying around the blogosphere over this tempest-in-a-teapot."
Yes I never refuted that. My point is that DHH doesn't necessarily care about what other people "hear".
When what people "hear" is completely disconnected form what was said, I don't care either.
"As you (and Martin Fowler) put it, it's entirely up to you whether you care about the feelings of the people who perceive themselves as unwelcome or marginalized or uncomfortable within the Rails Community."
Exactly. Id' rather focus on writing code and making my chosen framework or language better for my purposes, than worry too much about what every possible person "out there", "hears".
Especially if I don't set out to "build a community" and am just sharing some code I found useful.
"I'm not saying you're a bad person for putting forth your opinion."
I didn't "hear" it that way ;-)
And even if you do say so, it doesn't make me a bad person. So it is quite all right.
heh! (a) what you did historically is of no relevance to what you are doing now (b)even if true, that still doesn't make your collapsing my argument into "Fuck You" correct paraphrasing.
I made it clear in the original argument and then again in response to your (inaccurate imo), paraphrase that I was saying something other than "Fuck You!".
What I said was
"If you don't like X , that is fine. If you want to express your thoughts , that is fine. If you don't want to work on Rails, that is fine too.
What is not fine is you expecting me (or anyone else) to think the way you do and say only things you like to hear just because of your feelings are offended. Being offended is your privilege. How much I should care about that is mine."
If you are still hearing that as "Fuck You", it may be because you choose to collapse it to "Fuck You I can't help it. " It's just too bad.
EDIT (responding to raganwald's edit where he said)
"In the mean time, no you didn't say those words. I heard them"
yes that is what I thought as well. My suggestion is that you "check your hearing" because "Fuck you" is not what I said.
" I suggest that others heard those words when reviewing the various non-pologies flying around the blogosphere over this tempest-in-a-teapot."
Yes I never refuted that. My point is that DHH doesn't necessarily care about what other people "hear".
When what people "hear" is completely disconnected form what was said, I don't care either.
"As you (and Martin Fowler) put it, it's entirely up to you whether you care about the feelings of the people who perceive themselves as unwelcome or marginalized or uncomfortable within the Rails Community."
Exactly. Id' rather focus on writing code and making my chosen framework or language better for my purposes, than worry too much about what every possible person "out there", "hears".
Especially if I don't set out to "build a community" and am just sharing some code I found useful.
"I'm not saying you're a bad person for putting forth your opinion."
I didn't "hear" it that way ;-)
And even if you do say so, it doesn't make me a bad person. So it is quite all right.