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I remember an article about SpaceX where Musk said that they didn't file many patents, because then other countries essentially had free access to their inventions if they didn't honour patents (China was mentioned).

With this change in law, they may no longer have protection against a patent filed by someone else that they (SpaceX) invented first...simply because they were not the first to file.

This may bring about more innovation because it forces "sharing" of ideas. Even if that "sharing" is done to stop real sharing.




On the other hand, suppose that Company A describes the invention in detail (or in more formal terms, provides a disclosure) at a trade show, before a disclosure or a filing by the second company. In this case, Company A can get the patent even though it filed after Company B.

So my understanding they can put some information (but not their whole invention) and get recognized for the patent.



SpaceX is in a very distinct position that its products are launched into space, making it very hard for a third-party to dissect and reproduce them.


Industrial espionage is still very powerful, and recovery of boosters is also possible.


SpaceX is probably protected against domestic copiers by trade secret law.


I honestly thinks that's for the better. Basically, you patent, tells everyone how it works, and have the rights.

The move your described, you don't tell anyone anything and still have the rights... And that means i may be investing a lot of work on something only you will be able to profit from because i didn't know you invented it.

Basically this stops people from having the cake and eating it too.

Too bad about China.


You don't still have the rights, others can independently invent it and you can't stop. You can only stop them if you file a patent. This is way worse.


>they may no longer have protection against a patent filed by someone else that they (SpaceX) invented first //

They only had a very limited protection before. First year of use, only shown in public in certified trade shows IIRC.

This is how patents work, they require publication to enrich the knowledge pool and the return for that publication is time-limited government granted monopoly.

If SpaceX can demonstrate prior use then no later filed patent can, if the law is correctly applied, prevent their continued working of that specific invention.

The point is to put pressure on inventors to file, that's one of the two major purposes of the patent system (the other being to ensure due compensation of inventors).


You are incorrect. Trade Secret laws and prior continuous use protect SpaceX very well if someone were to swoop in and patent a technology they use.

It wouldn't necessarily prevent a patent from being obtained, but it would protect SpaceX from being found in violation. I know this from first hand experience.


Your post says the same as my third sentence.


How does that work? The whole point is that the first filer wins regardless of prior invention.


Disclaimer: I am a former software engineer turned patent attorney. However, I am not your lawyer, nor am I the lawyer of anyone who reads this. (Sorry, I have to say that)

Anyway, another thing that many people miss on the "first to file" issue is that it's the first INVENTOR to file. So, employee can't leave company, steal the invention, then file if employee was not the inventor.

The law really is only changing in the situation where two people invent the same thing, independently of one another. Under the current law, if both inventors file, only one is entitled to the patent - the inventor who actually invented it first (perhaps determined in an interference proceeding in the patent office or perhaps in court). Each inventor would try to prove the date of invention through documentation (keep those lab notebooks - or that git repo, or the old svn or cvs repo backed up!). Whoever successfully proves an earlier date of invention wins.

Under the new law, it's just who filed first. If two people file for the same invention, there will be a "derivation" proceeding in the patent office to determine whether one of the inventors "derived" his/her invention from another (ie, is that person actually the inventor).


[General support for jmatthew3 - http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/general_info_concerni...]

The period to file was supposed to be important though in non-conflicting applications. It allowed, for example, potential applicants to seek investment in various ways without fear of a specified disclosure causing loss of priority. Do you know how much inventors availed themselves of that ability?


What happens when the patents are invented in isolation? Is one considered "derived from" the other, despite no information passing between them?


If two inventions are invented in isolation, then one is not derived from the other.


Interesting career choice.

Do you specialise in software patents?


This career choice is not for everyone. It can be very stressful, but also very rewarding.

Although I do write software patents for some clients, my practice is more broad than that. I deal with patent, trademark, and copyright (intellectual property) issues, as well as contracts regarding software, books, art, and ip issues. I also handle litigation about all of those issues.


(Sorry, I have to say that)

If you think that you have a poor understanding of the law.


No. We are afraid that someone will read what we say and think that we represent them or are giving them legal advice. We have to be very careful about what we say we are doing and what we say we're not doing. If you go to your doctor and he says you need to have a mole removed, if you don't schedule an appointment to have the mole removed, it's your fault. With legal services, if I tell someone they need to file a patent or what not, if it's not really clear that I'm not doing it unless they engage me to, then they might have an argument that they thought I was taking that action.

So, on most legal blogs, you'll see something that says "I'm not the reader's lawyer."


I disagree it happens on "most" legal blogs, maybe legal blogs written by lawyers who don't understand the law. Show me one case where a lawyer has been successfully sued for "offering legal advice" through a public blog post or comment. There is no basis for these disclaimers and the practice just pollutes discussion.


Prior Use Right says that if a you have used a technology commercially for more than a year prior to the file date of a patent[1], or public disclosure thereof if your technology is a derivative of the that disclosure, you cannot be held in violation of the patent. This holds regardless of if you have publicly disclosed your use of this technology or not.

When you combine this with Trade Secret law you protect yourself from one of your employees taking your technology, starting a new company and patenting it (potentially coming in under the 1 year mark).

First-to-File only comes into play when multiple entities file for overlapping patents, it simply finds in favor of the first to file for a provisional patent. This avoids a mess of trying to determined who came up with the idea first, which was always a contest of who documented first.

[1] You could still be in violation and not know it as provisional patents are non publicly disclosed for 18 months, so in reality there is technically a 2.5 year window where you can't be absolutely sure someone else has filed.




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