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I agree with that. I used to be extremely paranoid. Now, less so. But I did have an experience once that reinforced my paranoia: A local prominent business woman visited first startup under the pretense of being a potential investor (which gives her an automatic out -- investors don't sign NDAs). She watched my demo, took lots of notes, asked lots of questions, left, and then called me three weeks later to invite me to breakfast at some fancy private club. I show up (she's wearing some sort of see-through shirt which freaked me out a bit -- I was suddenly worried she was going to try to seduce me) and then, with a straight face, told me: "I have complete notes about what your product is, the direction you're taking, and your business model. I also have a team of great engineers who recently left Sun who ready to start coding tomorrow if I give them the go-ahead. Unless you hire me as your CEO immediately, I will steal your idea, launch a public campaign to discredit you, and make sure you never work in this industry again."

I laughed because I was sure she was kidding. Turns out she wasn't. I politely declined her offer and walked out the door. She told me I'm making the biggest mistake of my life. I probably spent the next two months being in such a paranoid state that I was pretty much useless as a contributor. It turns out she never did follow through on her threats. But I learned then that even someone with the worst of intentions can't necessarily take someone else's idea and turn it into a reality. That's when I started to relax a bit when it comes to NDAs. But, that said, I still ask contractor programmers to sign them but what I ask them to sign is so amazingly simple that it's more an agreement to respect each other's ideas.




Damn. People are evil. Thanks for posting this...it's a good remember that even in the web community, which seems generally friendly and helpful, you have to watch your back.

Don't suppose you want to post her name so the rest of us can avoid her? :)


What's her name? Seems like you should make sure a Google for her name brings up this story.


NDA's and work for hire agreements are a requirement for contractors. Otherwise they can end up owning the code they worked on. Happened to a friend of mine and it cost him $20,000 to get rid of the guy.


An NDA and a legal contract about ownership are completely different things.


That's true, but for contractors the two are often combined in the same IP agreement.


And just think, if you had NDAed her first, you would never have had this problem. Her superior PR, industry collections, and high-paid team of lawyers would have quailed at the notion of having your NDA presented to them. Because lawyers facing contracts are like vampires facing crosses: as soon as they see one its like "Oh no! There is a contract! Guess we can't suck your blood today!"


> I laughed because I was sure she was kidding. Turns out she wasn't. ... It turns out she never did follow through on her threats.

I'm confused. Doesn't that mean she was kidding? Or at least, how does her making false threats reinforce your paranoia?


I'm surprised she hasn't washed up on a beach somewhere.

What an awful person - she'll get what's coming eventually.




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