Is it really comparable, though? What is better a Ferrari or a Ford Ranger? That depends on if you are trying to go fast or haul 500 lbs of stuff across town. Waymo is a much better completely autonomous robo taxi in limited areas mapped to the mm, but if I want an autonomous driving system for my personal car to go wherever I want, Tesla FSD is the better option.

Waymo is fully autonomous, FSD is an adas for consumers.

Robotaxi is a separate product. They are fantastic at driving but until they remove supervisors it’s a moot comparison

Ah, I see. ADAS as in "assistance on a car I can buy", makes sense.

Waymo operates without a safety driver. That's a slam dunk right there.

No, some edge case that made the cars fail safely during a power outage doesn't compare. If that's the best you can come up with, you've got nothing.

Apologies, I was unclear with the "i.e." bit I assume, to spell it out: I think after struggling with it over years its time to call it because Waymo has a scaled paid service, no drivers, multiple cities, for 1 year+.

But I told you it wasn't without drivers, so where is the response there or acknowledgment of the fact they all went down?

It’s because you spam this thread so much with such aggressive language that it honestly is scary to deal with you.

You’re smart Darren, and so are other people, you should assume I knew the cars have remote backup operators. Again, you’re smart, you also know why that doesn’t mitigate having a scaled robotaxi service vs. nothing

I doubt you’ll chill out but here’s a little behind the scenes peek for you that also directly address what you’re saying: a big turning point for me was getting a job at Google and realizing Elon was talking big game but there’s 100,000 things you gotta do to run a robot taxi service and Tesla was doing none of them. The epiphany came when I saw the windshield wipers for cameras and lidar.

You might note even a platonically ideal robotaxi service would always have capacity for remote operation.

This is such a weird take when Elon Musk is still letting his Optimus robots be teleoperated for basically every live demo. If you're lenient with him, it's completely unreasonable to be strict with Waymo, which works autonomously the vast majority of time.