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I’m really curious about the amount of screen time and news/social media consumption of these groups. I assume it’s a couple standard deviations above what’s healthy.


I assume the social media consumption of [whatever you think the opposite groups are] is also a couple standard deviations above what’s healthy.


I know a bunch of trans gun owners. They're pretty standard gun geeks, and a few of them do shooting competitions.

I've asked them how they got into shooting sports, and a lot times, they tell me some pretty scary stories of real-life encounters with bigots. Some have also encountered armed right-wing protestors outside of a bar that held a late evening drag event.

So at least among the people I've met out in the real world, it was fairly common to be motivated by specific real-life events. The numbers might be different for gun owners who don't go to the range regularly.


The whole topic reminds me of Deviant Ollam's talk "Lawyer. Passport. Locksmith. Gun." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihrGNGesfI) He spends a fair amount of time talking about getting his queer and trans friends interested in guns. I suspect this has been the trend for a few years, at least.

He includes a quote that is rather salient: "If you do not have the means of violence, you aren't peaceful; you're harmless."


Why would you explicitly assume something that confirms your bias? Why not just say that you suspect a trend?

Individual anecdote, but I bought a pistol for defense in the US because of the (two way) threats I constantly read and hear in my real life, and I do not consume any social media. No Twitter, no Facebook. I don't read news outside HN, my local paper, and the occasional CS Monitor story. I rarely sit around scrolling TikTok/YouTube/etc on my phone, and when I do, it thankfully just shows me engineering/trades stuff (BigClive type stuff, plumbers, etc). Admittedly, I have visited 4chan occasionally since it was established.

My opinion is: It's fallacious to imply that the hatred and violence of Americans against Americans is negligible, and could only be considered a real problem through the lens of dishonest media. Yes, consuming garbage media will amplify that fear, but the fear is absolutely, obviously based on real, actual attitudes and words in the US.


In my social circle (mostly Asian tech employees in the PNW) there were many first-time gun purchases immediately after the social unrest in 2020. Hysterical social media posts about "the riots are going to come to the suburbs" factored into it. The fears ended up being completely overblown.

Now there are different groups of people who are predicting violence and feeling the need to do something about it. Too early to tell whether the fears are overblown this time around as well.

In any case, I hope all first-time gun owners properly train with them and secure their guns at home. I wouldn't be surprised if the main outcome of both of these clusters of gun buying is not actual defense against the feared threats, but that guns get stolen and used for crimes.


The rooftop Koreans were awesome. Modern day cowboys.


Didn't they end up only killing other Koreans?


Unlikely (almost all the "rooftop koreans" had national service training in Korea) and unreported (that I could find)

  In the end, Chang said not a single person was shot and killed by the Korean shop owners — just warning shots to chase away potential looters and arsonists.
~ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roof-koreans-meme-know-real-s...

Also, wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooftop_Koreans


>because of the (two way) threats I constantly hear and read, and I do not consume any social media

Where do you hear the threats then? In real life? Are they quoted in the local news you read?

(Sight nitpick - HN is social media)


I bet they drink a lot of fluoridated water, too.




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