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Does anyone remember netbooks? How they used to have Linux? That was when Linux had a real chance.

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/microsoft-news/micros...

If you don't think Microsoft is directly responsible for this, you are an absolute idiot.

Every manufacturer has to pay for Windows Mobile for every Android phone they sell. No company has stood up to Microsoft. This is a real threat.

You want to talk about Gnome 3? Fuck you. Why would anyone invest a cent in a WM if you can't distribute Linux installed on a laptop?

People like talking about Microsoft and Apple as though they are different teams. Nope, they are on the same team: fuck people who think they can get by without them.



I think there are better words you can use to make your point.

Also note that Microsoft failed to stop Android even though they have been bullying all Android manufacturers too with their patent portfolio. The reason Desktop Linux never became a success cannot simply be attributed to Microsoft's bullyings. To them, it's probably just another source of income, not necessarily a means to stop free software or Linux.


What? Desktop Linux never became a success because nobody profits from it being awesome. That can't happen until you can distribute Linux on a PC without making some back room deal with Microsoft.

I'm sorry, but this issue makes me very angry, and I feel like most people are childish fools who pretend that it's the fault of hobby hackers making software that's difficult to use. No, it's because no matter how awesome Linux is, you can't distribute it without paying.

Also: Microsoft may have not stopped Android, but that doesn't mean they haven't hampered it. Without that stupid license every phone would be able to be sold $8-$15 cheaper.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2331462,00.asp

That might not seem like a lot more, but it's $8-$15 more than it should be.


I do get your point. But unfortunately that's the way the world works. Those who have patents bully others and make money of them. Microsoft is playing by the rules. I still don't think there is any point in blaming them for the lack of success of Desktop Linux.


I wonder if this is a world wide issue?


>That can't happen until you can distribute Linux on a PC without making some back room deal with Microsoft.

Why not? That ended back in the antitrust days. E.g. See http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/oem/

The reason that Linux PCs didn't take off is manifold. First, they're unfamiliar to the user so the return rate is high when they find after taking it home that it won't run some app they need. Second, the price is the same or even more because the OEMs get paid a pretty penny for the preinstalled adware and bloatware. And all the support and the separate software tooling make it tough for the OEM to turn a buck. Not to mention that they're wary of showing it prominently on their site because in the past that lead to a lot of uninformed people buying them and returning them.

>No, it's because no matter how awesome Linux is, you can't distribute it without paying.

You're needlessly getting angry for nothing. What's stopping anyone from selling PCs with Linux? You can start a company today that does that, and Microsoft won't come near you until you're making hundreds of millions of dollars.

E.g. See https://www.system76.com/

Are they paying Microsoft? Linux on the desktop is suffering precisely because of the points outlined in the article. If Linux was awesome, less people would've switched to OS X.


See: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529

I agree with you, Linux as it stands is crap for the desktop. However, if you think no corporation wants to distribute it you are crazy.

If you want to make a coherent argument, use something besides System76. There will always be a niche market that panders, the problem is that no large corporation currently does with a small subset of their offerings.


>Does anyone remember netbooks? How they used to have Linux? That was when Linux had a real chance. >If you don't think Microsoft is directly responsible for this, you are an absolute idiot.

What about netbooks? Vista was too bloated to run on netbooks, so MS noticed they were selling well and sold XP for a low price to OEMs, and consumers preferred XP to Linux in droves and thus Linux on netbooks died. So MS is as directly responsible for this as is Starbucks for killing my local coffee shop or OS X is responsible for taking away many Linux users.

>Why would anyone invest a cent in a WM if you can't distribute Linux installed on a laptop?

Stop making up BS.

http://www.system76.com http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/dell-xps-13-ultrabook-with-ubun...

They're not paying MS anything. How is MS responsible for people not wanting Linux machines?

Who is the absolute idiot now?


http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529

Why on earth would Microsoft care about System76? They pose no threat; nobody cares.

Secondly, about Dell, that doesn't mean anything. Dell doesn't care about Linux for consumer laptops, they are probably just making a threat to force Microsoft to give them more lenient pricing for the massive # of licenses they buy. I mean, it's coming out on the top of the line XPS series, so who cares? The problem happens when the <$600 laptops start using Linux, because those sell like hotcakes and Microsoft will die before giving up that market




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