One of the best quotes from Scott Adams: "the difference between a bad idea and a great idea is that you're the author".
It's so true. Everyone else thinks your startup idea doesn't make any sense. That's not a reason to give up. Listen politely to the feedback. Try to extract the few ounces of truth (your idea surely is not perfect, it can be tweaked to be made even better).
But don't be discouraged by negative feedback. Keep coding. Stop polishing your Powerpoint deck.
alain94040: I'm not sure the "viral" fairsoftware.net link in each of your comments is against the guidelines of this site but I think you should stop doing that before other people start copying you. If everyone did this the quality of HN would go down and that would be really annoying.
It's also unnecessary because if you post enough good comments people will see your link when they click on your userid to read them.
Good point. I come from the old age of Usenet signatures, where proper etiquette said 4 lines was appropriate. Except they were displayed at the bottom of people's screens, not inline like threads nowdays (do I sound old enough now :-) I'm really not).
I do have an opinion on signing (using at least one line at the end), because I believe it helps the conversation to know who said what. If all you read were anonymous comments, it would hurt the conversation. When I see the same name again and again in a thread, my brain automatically connects the dots and I follow the conversation better knowing that the same person is responding again, or a new person chimed in, etc.
You could argue that the name of the writer is already mentioned at the top, but somehow I always seem to skip that part and rely on the bottom of a post to know who wrote it. Maybe it's because if I read a message til the end, it means I found it interesting. Only then do I want to see who wrote it. That would explain why I skip names in the header and expect it in the footer... Anyone has read good research on that topic?
Please don't sign comments, especially with your url. They're already signed with your username. If other users want to learn more about you, they can click on it to see your profile.
You're just not in the habit of looking back up at the name when you finish a comment that you like. It's not hard to train yourself to do that.
Not that anybody usually cares about meta-conversations around here, but I like the idea of one-line custom tags at the bottom of each comment. Especially since this is a startup board. People should be proud of what they are doing and should be wanting to plug it.
Noise is in the eye of the beholder. It seems a little self-serving and belittling to humanity to care about the message more than the messenger.
If I point something out and you comment, it's simple common politeness to allow you to drift off topic for a sentence or so. To care more about noise-to-signal ratio than a simple plug is to take humans out of the mix and turn boards into simple data.
I exaggerate my point for effect, but it still doesn't sit right with me. We're more that data machines for discussion boards.
I see it as noise because it's redundant. All posts have a name and a profile associated with them.
Personally, I think you have to earn a reference to your personal or business site. And you can do that by saying interesting things, which makes me curious to find out who you are by clicking your name. Which, again, I often do here.
Thanks for the pointer to the FAQ, I had never noticed there was one (there is no link to the FAQ from the threads themselves). So you're correct, it is policy of HN. Now I know.
In addition to that, some (many?) entrepreneurs build something users want and see their apps grow. But, then, they see their friends doing something else that's growing even faster. And, being optimists, decide that they can run two projects at the same time. So they launch a pet project so as not to miss out on that other opportunity. I've done it, and I know a lot of excellent entrepreneurs do it.
The thing is, it's sometimes the right thing to do. My last pet project grew much faster than my main project, and it ended up being my main project. And I'm happy it happened that way. But there is no way to know in advance how it's going to go.
At the time of my comment, my comment's parent has 4 points, so it is not only the author of the parent that I am responding to, but also those who upvoted the parent and those who have expressed similar sentiments here in the past.
First, I think a person has to be a little crazy to spend all his time on a venture with a 99% chance of failure. No woman for example is going to stay in a committed relationship with a man who has a 99% chance of financial failure and poverty, so what do these one-percenters plan to do to get into or stay in a relationship: lie to their partners about a fundamental part of their financial reality? (And I think that most heterosexual men who do not even want to be in a committed relationship with a woman are a little crazy.)
But probably these one-percenters are adults, and have the right to embark on this kind of career, even if I would not want it.
Would the reader however want to be a business partner, employee or even a coworker of one of these one-percenters? I for one would prefer for my business partners, employees and coworkers to look for ways so that as many people as possible enjoy a prosperous life. I would prefer for my business partners, etc, to help to shape their industry and their profession in that direction.
The most valuable things I own are my life, my freedom, my health and my education. Health includes things like enriching recreational activities and a full social life, and in expensive places like the Bay Area, that requires a certain level of income. Good educational environments do not come cheap either. But to maintain my life, my freedom, my health, etc, requires only a middle-class level of income: it does not require wild Netscape-scale personal success. Not that Netscape-scale personal success is evil or wrong, but again the most valuable things a human being owns do not require it.
When I say this, I understand that risk and unequal financial outcomes are a natural and unavoidable part of the efficient organization of the economy. Also, I do not endorse socialistic means for equalizing financial outcomes, in which the government takes income from successful workers against their will and gives it to less successful workers.
But when it can be done without decreasing the efficiency of the economy and by voluntary transactions, I think we should structure our industries and professions and markets and institutions so that an ordinary person willing to work hard can earn a good living with as little risk of lasting poverty as possible. In contrast, it seems to me that a significant fraction of the commentators here prefer winner-take-all contests even when there are alternatives that produce just as much total wealth. I for one will choose not to partner with that fraction of the community.
Let me give an example of a way to help more people earn enough money to maintain and protect the most valuable things a person owns (his life, his health, etc). Founders can increase their odds of success if they have more information on what founders before them did and how successful those choices ended up being. So anything anyone does to share true information about that or encourage others to share true information about that will tend to increase the number of founders who can earn a decent living at this startup game.
I can say this as someone who has "failed spectacularly." Until you've tried and gotten a taste, you will never understand why people would even bother when the chance of success is only 1%. I can also say I fully intend to do it again.
As far as support from spouses etc., my wife doesn't like the fact that we owe close to 7 digits right now, but she also understands that to me, this is "living."
And again, I am not trying to take away your freedom to live that way. My objection was to the statement that 99% of entrepreneurs have to fail so that the success of the 1% who succeed is sweeter.
I can agree this is why 99% of "someone with an idea" does not convert the idea into a meaningful business. However, I prefer to qualify the term "entrepreneur" as someone that fully accepts the "1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" rule.
I had the same thought, its less the entrepreneurs and more the population as a whole. I do think most people are capable of at least trying to start a company. The biggest obstacle that keeps them from "doing anything" is intimidation (of how hard it is) and comfort in their current routine.
Being in the process of launching an own company I can wholeheartly second both of your points. During our recruiting efforts we noticed that most people are mindboggingly risk averse, up to the point of irrationality. In one sentence they'll tell you how they've always wanted to start their own thing and how promising your idea sounds to them - and in the next they cop out because you can't offer them a 3yr contract with full salary and some sort of success guarantee on top...
The hiring process is definitely unique.. we often ended up with people who would instead make quirky lifestyle stipulations that were more important to them than money or security. Like being able to work from noon until whenever. Or not wearing shoes, ever. Or bringing their dogs to work.
Oddly enough, because we started in a falling apart mansion the fact that we had a full kitchen and a washer and dryer was enough to convince a bunch of people.
Well, unfortunately the population of dog-loving barefeet coders does not entirely overlap with the population of rockstar programmers. But nonetheless our main criterions remain quality of code and ability to communicate in a meaningful way (asynchronously if their sleep-cycle requires it).
If someone can deliver both of that then, frankly, he may run around naked all day as far as I am concerned. I have no reason to discriminate dog-loving nudists, as long as that doesn't negatively affect their contribution to our business objectives.
Entirely correct. We did not get the best people. It probably cost us more money in the long run. But we were able to ship the product and survive.
It can take years and years to find an amazing team of programmers that's a good fit. After 12 years we have, but in the beginning we just had to ship and get paid.
Maybe most entrepreneurs fail because success is a very hard problem? Picking the one great idea that can succeed is hard - even if you have many great ideas. Working hard in a way that focuses your effort is hard even if you work hard.
Maybe 99% of generalizations fail because .... it is easy to generalize and hard to produce useful, clear understanding.
I'm a type 2... I feel like I don't have the influence, following, or energy required to promote things after launching so I tend to give up and start something new.
I suspect that entrepreneurs fail because they don't ask good questions.
Lack of focus is an unexplored question. Lack of motivation is an unexplored question.
Hitting a stinging low after the great initial launch highs are an unexplored question. ("How could I make this process more enjoyable? What did I do wrong that got me here?")
I gave a talk today about my past experience, and someone asked me what the key quality to bring to a startup is, and I blathered on about "determination," because that's what popped into my head ... After, I realized that there was a slightly different word that actually captured the experience better. Fear. It's the best motivator of all. Perhaps it's the real reason startups thrive in the environments like the current one - because they have no choice.
I find it disturbing that the authoress seems to be motivated primarily by money, and does not mention this kind of motivation as the reason for a lot of startup failures.
A word doesn't become proper by virtue of merely being defined...
For what it's worth, my comment was on a PC bent. Nowadays, "waitress," "stewardess," etc. are frowned upon, and your use of "authoress" needlessly draws intention to the distinction. It's a clumsy word as well, which makes it seem that you find this distinction notable enough to decide against the far, far more common "author."
Whether all those words are frowned upon would largely depend on dialect (Queen's, International, American etc.) and local custom. For example, I use waitress, stewardess and actress, but never authoress or manageress.
It's probably quite baffling to someone for whom English is a secondary language.
I think that the "ess" should only be added when sexual distinction is being communicated as well. Off the top of my head, I can only think of it coming up for very feminine nouns, such as "temptress" and "mistress." "Waitress" is still doable but discouraged.
I'm american and this is the first I've heard of "waitress" being frowned upon here. My experience draws from Philadelphia, New York, and Silicon Valley (San Fran, Mountain View, and San Jose), but there are so many cultures in America I wouldn't be surprised if some places were moving away from the word.
Yep. See, we were overrun by the PC nuts in the 80s, but there are good parts. In the case of "waitress," I agree with them that the elaboration is unnecessary and pointless. So I value some PC when it delivers precision (but the arguments that certain speech is sexist seems far-fetched; "waitress" is not sexist).
A problem for the PC nuts, in particular those that maintain words like "waitress" are sexist, is that they're very often hastening the descent to a masculine-neutral, and so are ultimately complicit in preserving the very system they oppose.
The problem is, it's tough to distinguish "time to quit" from "giving up too early". In fact, I'm not sure there's always a difference between the two. That's why the rewards are so high for a success.
I wouldnt say so. Even with that one user and thousands of failed users you might be on the verge of evolving your product to better suit market needs and gain usage.
The biggest truth about entrepreneurship is that no-one knows. There is no authority - not your current users, not the 3-times successful serial entrepreneur not even Bill Gates.
The only one who knows best is the entrepreneur himself - and that might not be much to bet your future on.
perhaps reason #2: they are all off doing their own thing. get a bunch of them together in the same room, working on the same project. more consolidation people!
It's so true. Everyone else thinks your startup idea doesn't make any sense. That's not a reason to give up. Listen politely to the feedback. Try to extract the few ounces of truth (your idea surely is not perfect, it can be tweaked to be made even better).
But don't be discouraged by negative feedback. Keep coding. Stop polishing your Powerpoint deck.
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