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- [Palantir] A surveillance company used by by spy agencies

- [Meta] A social media company that has all your personal conversations & pictures, video, audio

- [Open AI] Something many people at work & school are uploading sensitive data to

- All run by acolytes of Peter Thiel

- Current president & vp are bankrolled Peter Thiel

- Top executives formally recruited into US Army.

USA is sleep walking into something very nasty. I still don't know what it is.

But please when it unravels. Let us not pretend we never saw it coming.

I am very worried about this. Something is being set up.






> USA is sleep walking into something very nasty. I still don't know what it is.

Maybe there's something fast & vicious in the works, but it could just be the merciless grasping at any shred of power these Hostis Humani Generis do.

The big move is writ large. It's multi-front sell off of the enduring value of America. Fullscale assault on schools. Destruction of science and medicine. Giving up on USAID then FEMA. Selling off millions of acres of land.

The network state ideology is that you should have to know someone and be in a network to get anything. If you aren't born into or allowed entrance into a network you get nothing. Reducing what government does to nothing melds well with the Christo-fascist ideology that likewise resents any state not run by and for the church: two sides of the same coin.


Sadly everyone keeps hoping there will be free elections still.

I do fear for my US friends and everyone else that is being impacted by what is happening.


it's too late for free elections, we haven't had one since pre-Bush I think. Most votes are programmed into people and they don't really know it, and if they do they just don't care. I think very few people actually study and do unbiased research prior to voting. Everyone votes based on what people around them think, and whichever party's social media "brainwashing" has affected them most.

This is such bunk. People aren’t “programmed,” they just don’t agree with you. And people being poorly-informed is not new, and it doesn’t make elections “non-free” or make them not count.

I don’t want to get into a political debate here, but the DNC can thank itself for Trump since they coronated (with no primary!) a candidate who dropped out before Iowa when she ran in the primaries because she had zero support because no one liked her. They also basically ran on a platform of “if you don’t like our policies, you’re a bad person.” I’d imagine more than enough people to swing the election either way pulled the lever for Trump as an explicit rebuke of the DNC’s disdain for anyone outside their orthodoxy.

Anyway. When a party besides the Trump party remembers that persuading the rest of the public (not insulting them) is necessary to win elections, that’s when we’ll have relief from one-man rule by that jackass.


I was programmed, I held strong opinions on stuff I later found out I didn't really know enough about and honestly didn't care about beyond the surface level bits. It took a media "fast" to get back to normal, and I still have to remain some level of vigilance to avoid it happening again. Both parties have teamed up with Ad people to implant memories and ideas in our heads https://www.wired.com/2011/05/ads-implant-false-memories/

> USA is sleep walking into something very nasty. I still don't know what it is.

It's called fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_paramilitary


No, it's called capitalism — capital has the last word. As we have seen clearly, even Trump is overwhelmingly limited by the constraints of capital.

Fascism had it's roots in Capitalism. The elites not only welcomed it, but they backed it, because it helped shut down workers right movements and keep things stable at a time when the workers right movement was hurting their bottom line by asking their bosses for living wages and humane working conditions, which they saw as Socialism and Communism.

I know. That's my point, and it's a point that calling it "Fascism" misses.

Sadly, Fascism and Capitalism largely walk hand-in-hand these days... Their bastard love-child will almost certainly be the death of "civilized" society if allowed to continue on the path it's currently on... It's well past time society starts brainstorming a better option.

I don't care. Capitalism is the problem and pretending its something more obscure is easier but useless.

You could almost say capitalism's final form is some flavor of oligarchy fascism

This is an incredibly correct post.


Capitalism is when people vote away their own rights? Leftist analysis can't explain why Bernie out-spent Biden and got crushed. There are strong capital interests on both sides of this issue.

>Leftist analysis can't explain why Bernie out-spent Biden and got crushed.

Haven't we been saying it was stolen through suspect political maneuvering and the compromised nature of mass and social media as it exists today?

As a black person, it was not lost on me the difficulty CNN et al. had in finding black voters to interview, until the nation NEEDED to know that black South Carolinian voters definitely hated Sanders and backed Biden.


> Haven't we been saying it was stolen through suspect political maneuvering and the compromised nature of mass and social media as it exists today?

Political maneuvering isn't capitalism. But putting that aside, if your candidate could only win by having the moderate vote split five ways, you're the ones doing political maneuvering.

> As a black person, it was not lost on me the difficulty CNN et al. had in finding black voters to interview, until the nation NEEDED to know that black South Carolinian voters definitely hated Sanders and backed Biden.

Polls always showed that Biden was the Obama guy.


>if your candidate could only win by having the moderate vote split five ways, you're the ones doing political maneuvering.

That's highly presumptive. Supporters of the other candidates made their initial choices for reasons. If they could have chosen someone other than Biden, they would have. The DNC purposely induced a panicked run to their chosen candidate (when they weren't calling heads instead of tails). That's as much a vote as the decision which door to exit out of after someone yells, "Fire," is a choice. To belabor the analogy: there was no fire. They pushed everyone to the leave the way that led to the concession stand instead of to the parking lot.

On the other hand, if your candidate can only win by forcing his ideological rivals out of the race with backdoor quid-pro-quo deals, not only is he now corrupt, he is still definitely only winning through political maneuvering.

>Polls always showed that Biden was the Obama guy.

Clarence Thomas and Strom Thurmond.


> If they could have chosen someone other than Biden, they would have

They could have chosen Bernie(they didn't want to).

> The DNC purposely induced a panicked run to their chosen candidate (when they weren't calling heads instead of tails). That's as much a vote as the decision which door to exit out of after someone yells, "Fire," is a choice.

Bernie's name was on the ballot. He was / is one of the most recognizable politicians in the U.S. He had plenty of money to campaign. My above point better explains his loss.

> On the other hand, if your candidate can only win by forcing his ideological rivals out of the race with backdoor quid-pro-quo deals, not only is he now corrupt, he is still definitely only winning through political maneuvering.

Force is massive cope. Do you think they would prefer to stay in, 100% lose, and get nothing for it? People that are closely aligned consolidate their efforts. That's how democracy works.

> Clarence Thomas and Strom Thurmond

Just look up the polls. Biden always crushed with African Americans.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Capitalism is about "How much can I spend?", and not, "How much do I own (and how can I leverage it)?". Property like media outlets, where you can do things like manufacture consent (e.g., convincing black voters that the man who railroaded Anita Hill, and who called the most virulent segregationist of his generation a dear friend, cared about black folks' interests). Like your party's national committee, where you threaten members and candidates with persona non grata-status for campaigning or endorsing against your whims. Like the candidate himself, who initially did not want to run in the first place.

All of these things represent influence - influence that, like other methods used to induce fear and panic, can undermine both individual's rational decision-making process and their capacity to express their raw feelings.

Let's be clear: there was zero broad enthusiasm for Biden's policies (partly because he refused to detail them). But leveraging influence can allow you to take an electorate that, by all measures, wanted Bernie Sanders' platform - with M4A and the GND in particular being wildly popular - and turn it into one that checks the box next to Biden's name instead. What you get is not an expression of the electorate's will or desire, but of their terror.

So, actually, the influence of Capitalism (through the means I spoke of earlier - in a word, corruption) readily explains Biden's win in 2020. He was not a good candidate, he was not a good president, and people did not want to vote for him, but felt forced to, because an overwhelming amount of capital was leveraged to that end. People, in fact, did choose Bernie, until coerced not to. And that was simply a matter of people with wealth getting what they wanted. It may very well be that you only get to stand up to that force once in a lifetime, and Millennials had already elected Obama.



Okay. What do we do? Be as radical as you want, just don't say, "Vote."

There are many countries that have been in the position that the US has been, though few of them have been as strong democracies prior to falling to this state. I'd recommend the tactics in the two "Rules" section of this blog post:

https://verfassungsblog.de/the-authoritarian-regime-survival...

Though, personally, I'm having a lot of trouble following some of them...


Ranking civilians is a wartime measure.

It's a fascist measure.

I would urge anybody who wants to soothe their fears to avoid reading up on Curtis Yarvin.


The weirdest thing about those pieces (which I have not read) are the glamour shots. Why cover a political subject like that as if they are a beloved children's author or a lifestyle piece? It's a very unusual and strange thing to do for politics, and says a lot about the editors at these media outlets.


Giving federal employees 6+ month severance packages is a far cry from what Yarvin wrote ought to happen them.

Trump really can't get anything right.


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There are free markets outside america. Surprisingly, even in china

No, there are not. That is very naive. None of them are independent from America's role as international peacekeeper/peacereeper and global financier.

"Peacekeeper"

Yes, that's right. Thank you.

I’m not sure how this is a valid reply to the parent? The government inducting favored titans of industry into the military for what certainly smells like a marketing/sales integration is hardly free market capitalism.

That's the joke he's trying to make

For it to read as a joke I’d have to know the commenter and know that’s something they’d never say. Without that context it reads as sincere.

This is a website where people frequently say wild stuff unironically and people mostly don’t get to know each other by name/reputation (with a handful of exceptions like tptacek, etc). It’s not a good place to be sarcastic.


The people want to be surveilled. This is their choice, which has been revealed billions of times since the dawn of the modern social media era. As a result I have zero pity, and the public can reap what it has sown.

Privacy advocates, cypherpunks, hackers, et cetera have been sounding the alarm bells since Room 641A, if not earlier. Not only has the Internet at large failed to heed these warnings, some of those "conscientious objectors" who refused to willingly submit their information to these systems of surveillance capitalism were actively demonized and hunted.

After all, if you are not willingly signing up for these services, social media, and voluntarily forfeiting your data to these systems, then there is something wrong with you and you should probably just sign up for that Meta account already.

You are the ones who have kept these systems running by voluntarily feeding them your time, attention, and/or data. Now the beast has reached maturity and it is too late to do anything about it.


*The people are too poor and disconnected to dissent.

Everything comes down to the desperation to survive in a world where abundant (ABUNDANT) food, shelter, and clothing still must be "earned" (so say our elites).


By your logic people also want to get into car wrecks, develop cancer in old age, get food poisoning, etc.

Just because there's risks with something or side effects with something doesn't mean people want the side effects


I would agree in cases where the desired effect is distinct from the side effect.

However, for social media in particular, the desired effect is the side effect, which is the surveillance.




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