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"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

"Don't be snarky."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html






Wait ... but this is true.

Maybe I missed a source but I assumed it was somehow common knowledge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_cras...


> Wait ... but this is true.

(It's been a while since this has come up, so maybe I'll write a longer reply, in case it's useful to you and/or others.)

There are two responses, both important.

The first is that your comment included things that the site guidelines ask commenters to avoid: internet tropes, snark, shallow dismissals (all of which are in "but hey, the guy wrote a couple of fun tweets") as well as outright flamebait ("most likely criminal behavior"). None of that is about being true or not, and if your comment hadn't included those things, I wouldn't have responded.

The second, deeper issue is that correctness—though good in principle—is neither sufficient nor necessary to make a good HN comment. For example, true statements can be used as weapons; or they can be off-topic; or they be ammunition for putdowns, and so on. In such cases, a statement being true can make the comment worse, not better.

For example, consider telling a teenager about the acne on his or her face—pretty brutal, no? yet true. Or, to take an old example of pg's (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6539403), consider telling an old person that they're going to die soon. Also true, also not ok in many circumstances.

Context and intention matter, and a good HN comment needs to be in the intended spirit of the site. That's why correctness isn't a sufficient condition for a good comment, and cannot justify a bad one. If you think about it, it isn't a necessary condition either—people are often simply mistaken, and that's part of good conversation (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32697044).

What the "just the facts" or "but it's true" defense misses is that there are infinitely many facts and truths, and they don't select themselves. Humans do that, according to their motives, and a motive is not a fact.

Here are some other links making similar points in case anyone wants further explanation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35145770 (March 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32909407 (Sept 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32697044 (Sept 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628939 (Aug 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31996470 (July 2022)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...


great response and one I wish people also abided by in normal day-to-day discussion. thank you, dang, for the great environment you maintain on HN.



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