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At the Circle K they have the option of doing self checkout by putting all your items under a camera and the register will automagically count 'em up and assess your total. I keep wondering if it's done by AI -- All Indians. Same with the OCR ATMs do on cheques.


Relevant: Uniqlo's self checkout, based on RFID tags with a great user experience:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38715111

- https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/uniqlo-self-checkout-rfi...

- https://archive.is/ms1ke


Those Uniqlo self checkouts really do fall into that “ indistinguishable from magic” territory for me - on a technological level I completely understand how they work, and yet every time I use them I’m a little surprised that it works so well and filled with joy anyways



Every time I shop at Decathlon it feels like magic.


Ah man I remember the RFID hype when the idea was you'd just shop and walk out and the items would all be automatically scanned by an RFID reader and charged. A tough lift in a grocery store but a single source store can build all the tags into their own products.


This vibes with my multiyear theory that Tesla self-driving is someone in China driving your car for you like a racing simulator. Perhaps the graphics are even game-ified so the work stays mysterious.


There's a car company that runs in vegas that does exactly that. You rent the car for a few hours and it will be driven up to you by a remote driver and then when you're done it'll drive off remotely. No AI needed.


Doesn't latency make this dangerous?

At a BAC of 0.08 (legal limit in US) drivers have reaction time delayed by only 60-120ms but crash risk is 10x compared to sober

Lack of depth perception probably compounds this?


Even 100ms slower reaction times doesn't put most people outside the normal range: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/133421/fnhum-09-0...

If that was too much, we wouldn't let people in their 50s drive.


> At a BAC of 0.08 (legal limit in US) drivers have reaction time delayed by only 60-120ms but crash risk is 10x compared to sober

I'm not sure that slower reaction times are the only effect of alcohol consumption.


Sure, the other effects is that they're much more likely to be driving at night, overextended their waking hours, distracted by friends / a date / a prostitute, and driving a route that they do not normally drive.

How could you not be 10x more likely to crash than the nurse getting off at 2am who has driven the route a thousand times and knows all the bad blind spots / bad intersections / is still well within her normal waking hours. That is much closer to the normal profile of the sober people who are out driving during prime drinking hours.


Have you seen the 'latency' of the average driver on the road these days?

Most people appear to take about 2 seconds to respond to any change in conditions.


> driven up to you by a remote driver

This is hopefully illegal and not actually what is done, because I have learned from Waymo that it is not permissible or even possible for the CS reps to remotely drive the car. They merely push "suggestion" commands to be considered by the onboard Waymo Driver.

Remote human drivers have too much latency and not enough realtime information available to "drive" a vehicle on public roads.



Wow thanks for sharing. I genuinely didn’t think this was legal.


From the second link:

> In the event of an emergency, the vehicle automatically puts itself into a safe state within milliseconds by coming to a safe stop in the same lane.

It sounds to me like the hardware has some amount of autonomy. They just aren't trying to do the high level stuff. Both companies seem like they're trying to hide the implementation details though which immediately makes me suspicious of them.


Yeah I was surprised too when they handed me a voucher when I left a hotel last time I was there. Really cool concept. I wasn't able to use it because it was only on iPhone


I wonder where the remote drivers are? If they were in Vegas, latency could be very low -- but if they are in Berlin...


They wouldn't be in Berlin, you want to go to cheaper labor places than Las Vegas, which are plentiful in the US, and even more plentiful in Mexico if you want reasonably low latency to the US.

I'd be more concerned about the remote driver's internet connection crapping out. The car probably has multiple simultaneous cellular connections (e.g. PepLink SpeedFusion hot failover type thing).


It’s not merely about latency, but you also need to consider that any ‘remote driver‘ will have less telemetry, and of a lower quality, than an onboard AI driver.

A human operator wouldn’t even be able to read or interpret the types of data which would be collected and sent by a vehicle such as a FSD Tesla or a Waymo.

Now as I understand it, military forces are really good at remotely operated drones/UAVs so perhaps the tech does exist in parallel, but those are two distinct applications.


If the drivers are local were looking at less than 100ms latency? Seems very doable. More worried about the system going down.


Still seems dangerous to me- 60-100ms increase in reaction time is equivalent to driving drunk

At 70 mph you'd traverse the full length of a car before the brake kicks in


Oh well you’re assuming now that each remote human “vay.io” operator is only simultaneously responsible for only one vehicle at a time?

Furthermore, that’s a brand-confusion name they’re d/b/a. “Veyo” is a very well established ride sharing provider, based in San Diego, and specializing in human drivers for NEMT.

Come, Mister Tally-Mon, Tally Me Banana: Daylight Come And Me Wann’ Go Home


You didn’t really think you were playing “Crazy Taxi” did you?


I hope that whoever operates these devices, is aware about it.

> So much of “ai” is just figuring ways to offload work onto random strangers.

https://xkcd.com/1897/ (2017)


Indeed, even legitimate "AI" is just human intelligence that's been macrodata-refined into a huge matrix of weights.


If you have ever manually labeled an image set for ML, it is not far from the truth of the process. =3


I'm not a data scientist but is that not a hotdog emoji?


Hotdogs contain just about everything... including c===3 parts... =3


A cat face emoji.


> someone in China driving your car for you like a racing simulator.

while sleeping and connected by NeuraLink. Before Musk/NeuraLink gets to me though, judging by the content of some of my dreams, i've been driving a space-folding spaceships for some aliens.


> This vibes with my multiyear theory that Tesla self-driving is someone in China driving your car for you like a racing simulator. Perhaps the graphics are even game-ified so the work stays mysterious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_Simulator


There were scenes from Black Panther in which Shuri drives a car in Korea remotely from Wakanda. I thought, wow, she can do that from thousands of km away with zero latency! They must have super advanced tech to have solved the network latency problem.


And important.


Very Ender's Game.




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