I was charging at a supercharger in Las Vegas on my way to California on Monday. While sitting in my vehicle a police car rolled up and asked me to roll down my window. The officer then asked if there was anything suspicious or concerning that I noticed. I said no and he said good we are trying to stay ahead of it. Until that moment I hadn’t really worried about Tesla protests and vandalism.

From another perspective, because you drive a symbol of the new authoritarian state armed state enforcers essentially offered to target people at your discretion and it reinforced your acceptance of state propaganda.

I'm not sure you realize it but in that moment you were given the opportunity to destroy the lives of any scapegoated person/group you could locate in the vicinity.

The administration has sought the most extreme charges and punishments possible for Tesla-related dissent, even advocating sending American citizens to CECOT. The ability to wield immense state violence in this fashion is worth protesting against!

I find your story a harrowing tale of how our new fascist state seeks to wield violence against the citizenry.

Sell your car. You're driving around a swastika with wheels.

swasticar was right there!

The problem is: people don't care.

In case you don't believe that: look up Volkswagen history (as if the name wasn't enough of a hint) and I think you will agree that Tesla may be a swasticar ... it's not the first swasticar.

But current Volkswagen leader- and ownership is not nazi, unlike Tesla.

VW in effect was re-founded after the war by the British military administration as a trust and only privatised into a public company in the 1960s.

The biggest shareholders of BMW on the other hand are still the Quandt family whose grandfather Günther Quandt definitely was Nazi member, collaborator, donator and massively profiteered from the slave labour by concentration camp victims and prisoners of war.

Or Ford.

I mean, if in 80 years Tesla is called Cybertruck (the company set up to make Volkswagens was not called Volkswagen, and produced effectively zero civilian cars in its Nazi era), has been appropriated from its previous owners, who went to prison or worse, is a separate legal entity, and shares no principals with the original company, then you might have a point.

Ford is a closer comparison, but even there, Henry Ford was no longer really involved in the company when he went really publicly off the rails (he'd handed it over to his son by then). There's not much precedent for Tesla's situation, where the _current_ leadership is being publicly insane.

Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43556443

for some reason both posts got flagged...

But I was told that the Cybertruck would outsell the F-150!

I think Denver's status as a hub for IT, Telco, Aviation/Aerospace may skew things a bit, but the town is _lousy_ with Tesla products. Cybertruck included.

And I think this period of time is going to be underscored by the guilt of good products helmed by questionable people. Musk, J.K. Rowling, Neil Gaiman, all have either produced or led thousands of people to produce good things. And then they got rich enough to let their filter drop? I dunno how to exactly phrase it.

Model 3 and Y have composed of 95%+ of Tesla’s deliveries for at least a few years. No serious analysis would have concluded Cybertruck to be anything other than a rounding error.

Musk said they'd sell 250k-500k a year to shareholders. They're running at what - 10pct of that - so that seems like a fair comment.

I don’t see how anyone could put stock in anything Musk claims, he has a very long history of making bombastic claims.

He said it at shareholder meeting. You'd expect a higher level of probity when addressing the people who own your business? Unless he wasn't being straight with them?

As he's an officer of a public company, isn't this kind of wildly inaccurate prediction covered by some kind of law?

For all practical purposes he's above the law.

I would not expect it from Musk, based on his previous behavior.

> making bombastic claims

Also known as "lying".

Is that including the fraudulent sales in Canada or no?

and that was Q1....

For those making the inevitable comments on flagging: use this page instead of the front page.

https://news.ycombinator.com/active

One view of this is HN sports two ranking algorithms: the front page and /active. A few months after discovering /active, I found I was not looking at the front page. I've come to the conclusion it's gamed (not by HN of course, but the various tribes flighting for attention), and yes the primary mechanism for that is flagging.

Having two ranking algorithms is very bluesky'ish in some ways, and thank $DIETY it does. The front page reminds me of other sites that have voting systems. I don't know how to describe it - but I get the sense they all tend to favour articles the tribes like fighting about. /active has much less of that feel.

The comments on HN also suffer from the same tribal warfare effect - with the comments the tribes like fighting over rising to the top. That isn't so bad - because it means you can often just skip the top couple of comments to go fossicking for the insightful gems.

Elon lies 24/7, if you were an investor who seriously believed that the dumpster truck that was over $100k would be a big seller you deserve this loss