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Are sites that currently try to enforce real name usage, like Facebook, noticeably better for it than mostly-pseudonymous sites like HN/Reddit?

It doesn't really fix people being gullible (so will spread spam/scams or fall for phishing) or angry about some polarizing topic. Conceivably it could encourage civility, but if anything I feel I've seen arguments turn ugly far more often due to the personal nature.




I think using your last name, counter intuitively makes discussion less civil.

In a form like this, if someone is insulted, it is just the idea and words that have been insulted.

When using your last name, it is the real person's identity that has been insulted. Then it goes both ways in a feedback loop involving two real people's real identity without the constraint that face to face confrontation would impose.

The only way to make that worse then would be to have ML algorithms running on top trying to nudge people to but heads for engagement.

Maybe we could design a system that is worse that in order to join you have tell someone using both real names that their newborn baby is ugly and instead of collecting a list of friends you collect a list of enemies. Short of that though we seemed to have really done a great job figuring out the worst possible form of communication.


I don't follow your logic - surely communicating from behind a mask encourages rudeness, no? Your comments seem to focus only on the recipient's authenticity or maskedness.

Are you assuming that the author's own identity will always be masked or throwaway like a sockpuppet? That seems very much like a design choice of the forum.


This is the general assumption made by people who already aren't like that, but it's not really how it ends up working. Either they don't care their identity is also visible, or they forget in the moment. The ones that don't care now also have a real identity to target instead of just a pseudonym.


All the use of real names on social media accomplishes is a chilling effect on speech. Especially if your opinions differ from those of your employer or customers. Or if people who disagree with you are engaging in harassment campaigns or domestic terrorism against their political opponents.

This can apply to either side. Whether you're a Trump voter in San Francisco or an LGBTQIA+ person in a rural "Bible Belt" community. Doxxing is one of the most serious rules violations on the internet because exposing somebody's real world identity endangers the personal safety of the victim. A real names only policy effectively forces everybody to self-dox or be silenced.


yes, realnames depends on out-of-band harrassment being illegal and suppressed.

but it also means responsibility, which acts in the opposite direction.

a realnames policy doesn't preclude also offering pseudonyms for sensitive cases.

to me, it seems like the real issue is sockpuppetry - basically a Sybil attack on authenticity/reputation/responsibility.


Facebook is pretty dogshit at it.

I have 2 fake accounts, one is named, in translation, Secret Dontknow, the other got hacked at some point and after recovering it it had a nice fake attractive asian woman persona on it. I just changed the location and ran with it. Both have yet to face any issues and they are at least 10 y/o accounts. I don't use them all that often but still.. Secret Dontknow is pretty obvious..




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