Which is nonsense to associate with either the political right or left. The comment I was replying to was saying “the left wants their right to sleep while the right wants their right to play the drums” which is nonsense.
“The principles of liceity” is external control vs ability to make a choice that I mentioned. It’s not a political right vs political left distinction in how we understand “Freedom”. Both the political right and left view “Freedom” as a mix of both licitness.
The recent, bizarre, popularization of the freedom-to vs freedom-from in pop-culture happened after the 2016 election and was portrayed as the difference between how the right and the left views “freedom” which is woefully nonsensical.
It might be my liberal (or blue) bubble, but after 2016 is when I started hearing a lot of my friends trying to explain that “oh no, we want a freedom-from not a freedom-to. Here is an article explaining” it became clear how confused everyone was about a simple abstract distinction vs real life application of it.
So, (1) do not contribute to noise, and (2) do not strengthen nor help spread cancerous deliria. Your words:
> That whole “freedom TO” vs “freedom FROM” [would be] a meaningless word play. Every “freedom TO” can be reworded to a “freedom FROM” and vice verse
and you must have meant "that whole attribution of "freedom to vs from" to different political sides is nonsense and employed as meaningless word play".
(Incidentally, they half-jokingly say that "liberals are conservatives who have been mugged and conservatives are liberals who have been arrested": both sides appear to be heartfeltly tied to a freedom-from perspective.)
(Corrige: I swapped the labels in the rush (it is of course "conservatives are liberals who have been mugged, and liberals are conservatives who have been arrested") but you get the point.)
I was gonna say. The joke is usually that a liberal is a “conservative that’s been assaulted by institutional power” and a conservative is a “liberal that’s been assaulted by a perceived peer”
The funny thing is I know someone who is literally that. She grew up in a very conservative rural family, but when I knew her (in her early 20s) she was “super liberal”. Like the classic “basic liberal” type person in every way. 6 years later (in 2021) a homeless dude chased her downtown. She WAS traumatized. Like seriously traumatized. A month later I learned that she started carrying a gun and wouldn’t stop talking about Washington gun laws and how “she’s totally a liberal” but liberals are wrong about the homeless, gun laws, the police, and law and order.
“The principles of liceity” is external control vs ability to make a choice that I mentioned. It’s not a political right vs political left distinction in how we understand “Freedom”. Both the political right and left view “Freedom” as a mix of both licitness.
The recent, bizarre, popularization of the freedom-to vs freedom-from in pop-culture happened after the 2016 election and was portrayed as the difference between how the right and the left views “freedom” which is woefully nonsensical.
It might be my liberal (or blue) bubble, but after 2016 is when I started hearing a lot of my friends trying to explain that “oh no, we want a freedom-from not a freedom-to. Here is an article explaining” it became clear how confused everyone was about a simple abstract distinction vs real life application of it.