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The expectation would be for the rich to pay their fair share of taxes and for the system to be for the people, by the people.


“Stealing from the rich to feed the poor” sounds very good in paper. I live in a country that does something like this and what you’re asking for is to steal from the already overworked and overtaxed middle class to give it to those who refuse to work.


Interesting, so you are saying that Brazil can't make anything against inequality while other succeed better?

I've heard first hand from a business leader working decades with Brazil that they actively keep the poor people uneducated to better use them, although having those better skilled would increase the overall productivity.


No, the necessary changes are cultural; the government can’t and shouldn’t do anything about it. What they really shouldn’t do is give handouts, since that’s sure to perpetuate the inequality. Necessity is the mother of invention, teaching a man to fish, yada yada yada.


I'll bite: if the necessary changes are "cultural":

- who has the ability to effect such changes?

- who has the right to effect such changes?

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Cultural changes must come from inside. Trying to make cultural changes from outside is unethical (and gross). But those changes will never occur if you give handouts. Giving handouts is making them stay poor, artificially making their culture not evolve.


Brazilian poors are kept poor by design, it's a long standing project from Brazilian elites (agrobusiness, political dynasties) to keep the poor uneducated for better control and exploitation.

Cultural changes are hard to be enacted if there isn't political power for doing so, Brazil also produced some very well educated people who have attempted to change the status quo of basic education lacking civics/political thought, most notably Paulo Freire.

Still there is a concerted effort to keep the poor uneducated, voting is mandatory in Brazil and if you are a corrupt politician (as most are there) you really do not want the people to be able to figure out your schemes. You keep them out of civics, they are just cheap labour who cannot understand complexities of government, civics, and so on.

I believe you do not know Brazilian society at all, and are simply throwing some empty platitudes based on your misguided ideology. It's not about fucking handouts, those are simply necessary for a large percentage of Brazilians to survive due to the lack of opportunities and basic education which most of the population lives under.

> Nobody is "keeping them down" but themselves

You really are a true believer, personal responsibility can never overtake a system of oppression.


From the inside of what?


From inside the poor community. You have to let them find out by themselves that living in squalor off side hustles is a bad alternative to finding a stable job, behaving, and then prospering. Giving them money for nothing perpetuates these issues, since they don't have a reason to improve their situation.

I'm saying all these things because I am from a poor community. I know how things work in such communities, and it's nothing like well off people (like most of you reading these lines are) think it is. Nobody is "keeping them down" but themselves.


>You have to let them find out by themselves that living in squalor off side hustles is a bad alternative to finding a stable job, behaving, and then prospering.

Ahh yes, find out from their rich people run media with their rich people run government to get jobs run by rich people run businesses who aren't actually givng out jobs to the poor due to how their system works.

Yes, it's clearly the poor people's fault for being too stupid to want more money. Jim Crow would be shaking your hand right now.

>I'm saying all these things because I am from a poor community.

I come from a poor community too. If my grandparents didn't get "handouts" as you call them from food drives and food stamps, there's a good chance their 3 kids wouldn't have been healthy. Which of course means I wouldn't be born. My parents and aunt/uncle would barely have a chance to rise up amidts the need to buy food and pay rent to stay alive, and I'd likely be deleted with no opportunity because people like you insist on pulling yourselves up by their bootstraps instead of helping a community out so that the rising tides raises all ships.

Stop listening to rich people propoganda gaslighing you. They benefit from keeping people poor.


I said the rich should pay their _fair share_ of taxes, but you immediately took it all the way to “stealing from the rich to feed the poor”.

I think what just happened here is a good example of how far to the right (and towards blatant Aristocracy) we’ve come. The political spectrum is completely blown out to one side, to the point where mentioning paying taxes is considered off brand and bad, instead of patriotic.


They agree with you and the results are clear. I am not advocating anything, I left that mess behind because I am not interested in living like that.


The incentive is that you make a place where you actually want to live.


Historically voting with your feet seems to yield way better results.


That's quite a jump of conclusion. Astonishing actually.

First of all, poors, worldwide, are the vast majority by any measure you pick.

So poors, becoming majority, is a no point. Moot.

Now, to another point. Poor prospering.

Have you ever considered that poor prospering can actually be a good thing? More consumption, more taxes being collected across, more wealth spread and circulating on the economy. More opportunities for the poor, and the rich, who will have a broader audience to become more rich?

And now to the subsides. Think this improvement on wealth circulation as a business, a good business outcome, shall we? As so many business, owned by riches, which make riches more rich, are already heavily subsided by governments across the globe for so many reasons (internal/external).

It's not such a big leap for yes, to advocate to some sort of subside to improve poor's situation.

Your comment sounds very classist. A true symptom of the very problem we're and will be dealing with.


I think the whole 'majority' point is supposed to be a racist dog whistle.




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