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Most of my (new) colleagues are always very amazed and baffled when i tell them that investigations, intakes and inventory before starting projects take me huge amounts of time.

Most of my colleagues finish their intakes very quickly, finish projects early and most (not all) have a huge amount of time of aftersales and aftercare. They usually call this aftercare 'out of scope'.

My finished projects usually do not have any aftercare. They work, because i invested a lot of time in the beginning. I call this 'the actual scope'.

I've been fixing some of my colleagues projects recently. Some of these projects should have ended 18 months ago... Most take be about two weeks to fix.

They eventually will learn :)



Will they if you just fix their projects long after they've taken credit for the success and moved on? They passed the buck to you.


Yeah, that reminds me of the concept of externalized costs... they are not "paying" for the whole price (in terms of time of work) that the feature costs. An external force is paying it for them, so life is beautiful and they can afford to keep doing half the work.


Our company is not that big and has a very limited finite amount of people who have the right resources to fix these sort of things.


Most of the things i had to fix came by order of the CEO directly. If the new colleagues will not learn within a due time frame, i am guessing their carreer might take a bump.

Personally i don't really mind at the moment. I get to do various work and it's been less stressful.


I'm sure they are soon going to be your managers.


Worse, soon he will be their manager and then those failures and missed golives will be his fault.


Only if the Peter Principal is in effect. As a manager they would be uniquely positioned to scope and assess the prep work. With a bit of mentoring they might "get it" sooner, rather than "eventually".


It's not that they don't get it, it's that they don't care.


Not for this paycheck :)

I've been a manager in earlier times and got shit from all sides. Nearly drove me to a burnout. Paycheck was still horrible. So i quit that.


That would make a fun conversation with the CEO :)


I have a coworker that placed a "return true" at the beginning of a failing test, and when I reverted the change spent ONE ENTIRE MONTH arguing that I had broken the test and it was now my responsibility to fix it. Several emails per day, because according to him what he did is completely legit.

He was at my same level then. Now he's 2 levels higher.


Sounds like they already are.


> They eventually will learn

I've been waiting 30 years. They haven't learned yet.


I'm sorry for that. 30 years is way too much to expect. I usually get shit done, but demand the time for it. I usually get it, because shit gets done without much fuss.


Do they have an incentive to learn? If the reward process in the company also consider it "out of scope" (meaning the remaining work is scheduled as such), there is nothing to really learn.


Some of the new guys have great incentives to learn, but some indeed don't.


What kind of work?


Various IT stuff like bringing companies to the cloud, Azure Virtual Environments, RDS collections, migrating small applications, etc.




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