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The most effective way to get out from under someone else's boot (financially) is to work towards a spot where you aren't dependent on them or the job's income.

100% this but entire system is setup to make sure this doesn't happen at scale. even here on HN if you post something along these lines but in real terms you will get downvoted like crazy and get even crazier comments.

the system is setup to make sure there are workers, w2 workers. this is why there is student loans and this is why schools do not teach you to be an entrepreneur, to be a salesman, to hustle for yourself and not for someone else. I see so many people here talking about leetcode and faang and I think to myself that is just modern day slavery. if you are LXXX at say Meta making say $750k/year, I think the same - you are a modern-day slave. if Meta is paying you $750k/year that really means that you are worth twice that, if not more. no company is going to pay you more than you are worth to them and they won't even break even with you so-to-speak so you can bank on this fact whoever you work for and whatever you bank. though there is a big difference between working on someone's yacht and making $750k the principles are the same but system is working hard and succeeding in making sure it stays as it is...






I am very sympathetic to your point about barriers. I feel like California has been waging war on 1099 contractors and small businesses for decades. Hell, they have a $600 minimum business tax on unprofitable businesses. They want stable W-2 union workers with state regulated compensation, not free wheeling contractors and businesses succeeding or failing on their own merits.

However, I think it is worth clarifying your following point.

>if Meta is paying you $750k/year that really means that you are worth twice that, if not more.

This is far from slavery. You are worth that to Meta. You might be worth significantly less without Meta. If you can make 1.5 mil/year alone and quit, meta wont send the slave patrol to bring you back in shackles. Instead, it is the golden shackles of greed that keep people making $750,000 instead of opting out.


> but entire system is setup to make sure this doesn't happen at scale

This has been getting less and less true since the Industrial Revolution. We’re not quite at the point where we don’t need menial labour. But we can sure see the through line to it. The alternate future to the despairingly unemployed is every person being something of an owner.

> if Meta is paying you $750k/year that really means that you are worth twice that, if not more

Whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Also, if you’re being paid $750k/year, you’d better be worth more than $1.5mm to your employer, because taxes and regulatory costs are typically estimated around 100% of base up to the low millions.


This has been getting less and less true since the Industrial Revolution.

how so? what do you think is the breakdown between say working people in the USA (excluding gig-jobs cause you know…) who are W2 vs. 1099 and/or business owners? 99.78% to 0.22% roughly?


> how so?

Automation. Consider the number of jobs today that one can do singly today that didn't even exist then.

> W2 vs. 1099 and/or business owners? 99.78% to 0.22% roughly?

There are about 165 million workers in the American labour force [1]. There are 33 million small businesses [2]. Given 14% have no employees [3], we have a lower bound of 5 million business owners in America, or 3% of the labour force.

Add to that America's 65 million freelancers and you have 2 out of 5 Americans not working for a boss. (Keep in mind, we're ignoring every building, plumber or design shop that has even a single employee in these figures.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_force_in_the_United_Stat...

[2] https://www.uschamber.com/small-business/state-of-small-busi...

[3] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/22/a-look-at...


I don't follow your logic for the small businesses. Why is the lower bound 5 million opposed to 33 million owners?

Are you trying to estimate only those without employees?


> Are you trying to estimate only those without employees?

Was using this as a proxy for business owners who probably don’t have a filing cabinet of SBA and Census small businesses.


There are marketing schools so they teach you to be a marketeer&sales person, a bad one at the latter.

so in order to be taught how to capitalism hard one has to go to a specialised school like kids with special needs need special teachers?

Yes, it's a specialised degree track: marketing is a full on 4 year degree with a possibility of continuing to postgraduate programs, including leading to Doctor of Marketing: https://www.hbs.edu/doctoral/phd-programs/marketing/Pages/de...



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