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Good idea; I'm going to buy one with next money I can spare.



Whoah whoah taking this maybe a little bit too far; before we make Jack Daniels the Louis CK of bourbon (presumptive nerd favorite in exchange for one congenial gesture), maybe you should try some Evan Williams Black Label. It costs 2-3 cups of coffee, and is way better.


Now that we're on the subject of bourbon I will share an observation I recently made. Have you ever looked up a bourbon brand on Wikipedia? Because if you do you'll almost certainly find a picture of the bottle, next to a monstrously large pour in a brandy snifter. Doesn't matter if it's shitty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ten_High.JPG, mid-range http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buffalo_Trace.JPG, or the nectar of the gods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pappy_Van_Winkle.JPG

The best part is that they're all by the same guy. A true American hero, if you ask me.


First, Jack Daniels is not bourbon; it's Tennessee whiskey.

Second, if you're going to tell people to drink Evan Williams, at least point them towards the single barrel. It lacks most of the abrasive industrial solvent characteristics of the black label, and if I recall correctly it's still typically cheaper than JD.


You're way off on standard Evan Williams ("black label"). It's very good, even if you don't factor in the remarkably low cost. Calling it "abrasive" or like an "industrial solvent" is way inaccurate. Maybe you're just used to very mellowed and sweet sipping whiskies. That's fine but it doesn't make brawnier whiskies trash as you imply.

As someone who mixes many of his Manhattans and Old Fashioneds with Williams (alongside Rittenhouse 100 rye), and who has tried it blind against Jim Beam black label, Maker's, and Daniels, I endorse wholeheartedly Eric Felten's take in The Wall Street Journal:

"It's a terrific deal. Most of the [inexpensive] bourbons I tasted were barely adolescents -- Beam, for example, spends about four years barrel aging. But Evan Williams is made of whiskey that has been in oak for five to seven years, and the extra age comes through. The nice spicy rye in the mash also comes through, giving the bourbon a dash of cinnamon that keeps the vanilla sweetness from cloying. Evan Williams is a good, solid, no-nonsense bourbon. " http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120916374801546109.html

I've had the single barrel. It's fine, very nice for sipping. But by no means would I use it in the drinks where I use regular Evan Williams. It's a little too mellow for a cocktail (although Esquire came up with an interesting one - basically a Manhattan made with Lillet blanc instead of sweet vermouth - I think they called it a Yellow Dog. You'll notice Lillet is much more meek than a sweet vermouth, even a relaxed Dolin. That way it doesn't overwhelm the soft nine-to-twelve-years-aged Single Barrel).

(update - here's a link to the Evan Williams Single Barrel cocktail - http://www.esquire.com/features/how-to-give-a-toast-0212)


As I understand it, most American whiskeys don't fare all that well after long aging; 8-12 years is a kind of sweet spot, isn't it?

Dave Wondrich, by the way, is a total bad-ass. His book _Imbibe_ is a supremely readable history and guide to cocktails. Those Esquire cocktail articles are uniformly fantastic.


I completely agree about Wondrich. I'm partway through Imbibe and it's fantastic.

Not sure about American whisky aging, though that sounds plausible.


Are you saying you like Jack Daniels more than Evan Williams Black Label?

I am happy to have provided the opportunity for someone to draw the distinction between "Tennessee whiskey" and "Bourbon", that written point being a regulatory requirement for all message board discussions regarding whiskey. :)


the definition of bourbon varies based on country, but pretty much it's anything over 50% corn based.

The difference in "Tennessee Whiskey" is the charcoal filtration. They pour the whiskey over an enormous pile of charcoal, which provides a unique flavor, independent of standard bourbon. They obtained the legal right to distinguish it this way a long time ago. To me, technically, Tennessee Whiskey could be called bourbon, but bourbon should not be called Tennessee Whiskey without this process. IE, square/rectangle relationship.

After the charcoals, it goes to the barrels, and anything that ages appropriately (usually depends on the height of the barrel in the storeroom and the strength of the winters/summers) between, I think, 3 and 7 years becomes JD black label. If it hasn't aged after 7 years, it becomes green label. Gentlemen Jack gets put through the coals twice, and single-barrel is well, single-barrel.

If you haven't been to Lynchburg, I recommend it. It's an awesome tour.


What is JD Double Black? My dad bought me a bottle - he told me that it means it tastes even smokier than black label, but I wonder what that means in terms of the production process.


Surely charcoal filtration not coal?


Yeah, charcoal. Fixed - sorry about that.


Last I tried the two I'm certain I'd have said that, but I'm willing to give it another go. It's been quite some time since I had either one (these days I mostly drink scotch or rye). I certainly wouldn't put JD black above the EW single barrel.


:) I'm new to those kinds of beverages. I tried JD a few times before and liked it. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely check it out. Anything else worth trying out?.

I do try to follow the principle of "voting with one's money" though, so I think it is only fair for me to show the appreciation for this JD move by buying a bottle.




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