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What about them? That they exist? No one disputes that. That illegal immigrants cause crime? We have hard data on that; it's not true. That they are a drain on society via social programs? We have data on that too; they get taxes witheld but cannot claim refunds and cannot enroll in social benefit programs due to their lack of SSN.

On any topic you want to pick it's typically the radical right wing who have their fingers in their ears.




I think the bit where it’s illegal is the issue.


Nobody disagrees whether it is illegal. Whether it should stay illegal is the thing people disagree on.


I think you made the GPs point for them.


How? Whether it should remain illegal is not a factual question. You are being deliberately obtuse to avoid admitting you are wrong.


People are mad about a double standard: rules only apply to some people.

This isn’t hard to grasp.


The people who think illegal immigrants shouldn't be illegal don't think anyone should be illegal. What's the double standard? It's not like they think black people should be allowed in but white people shouldn't.


What's hard to grasp is how you think this applies to a discussion about differing facts based on political leaning. Nobody disagrees with the facts here, only on what should be done going forward. So, not really relevant to the discussion.


If you see it that way, things will never change.

I don’t care about immigration either way, I don’t have an axe to grind.




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