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Eh, "consented to" is rather weak when you are forced to hit the "I agree" button to be able to drive the car you bought. That and forced arbitration need to die posthaste.



I refuse to believe that it’s not possible to drive the car without the app.


Back in the day, during the original Browser Wars, when the US Department Of Justice was trying to force Microsoft to detach Internet Explorer from Windows, Microsoft argued that it was impossible for Windows to operate without IE baked in. Well, it took a couple of "hackers" about a day to prove them wrong. I ran Windows XP without IE for years just fine. So yeah, cars can run without the app.


Of course they can. It doesn’t even make sense to consider that microsoft/ie matter.


The data is collected even if you don't use the app or hit agree. The manufacturer has your personal info attached to the car from the warranty info. They're required to collect it so they can send you recall notices.

It's trivial to put a car in limp mode if the vehicle computers don't detect all the modules the manufacturer put there. It's slightly less trivial to detect missing antennas, but that tends to disable other features people enjoy like directions and data. Manufacturers simply don't care to cat-and-mouse this right now.


> The data is collected even if you don't use the app or hit agree

It’s irrelevant. The matter of the discussion is “cannot drive a car without hitting I agree button”.


The post you were responding to is specifically about the lack of consent, not whether the button is necessary.


I don’t think so. They even double down on the button: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42525040.


And I'm skeptical that it is. Happy Friday.


I rode in a 1948 Oldsmobile three days ago. No app needed. At this point the ignition switch is so worn the key is actually optional.


Yes because that's comparable to a modern data-slurping EV, thank you for the useless comment.


You're skeptical a car can work without an app, I provided an example of why that isn't the case.


You're being deliberately obtuse and that kind of contrarianism is 100% correlated with douchebaggery IMPE. Be better.

Unless you somehow aren't kidding, in which I'll clarify: I'm skeptical that a modern electric vehicle that goes to the trouble of being a computer on wheels can work without an app. And I'll even clarify "can" - the car manufacturer allows you to operate the car without using its app.




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