> we don't know, nothing to see here

> ESI Energy LLC, guilty of killing 150 eagles

> how much bald eagles crashed against your house?

We dont know the statistical extend but we can measure very accurately in smaller areas especially large and endangered birds.

This is why (in my country) you have to study the local bird population before you get your permission to build your windmills. Something ESI should have done, even if we perfectly knew the statistics of all birds killed by windmills globally.

But what about migrating birds?

> Windmill company ESI Energy LLC, guilty of killing 150 bald and golden eagles in 8 USA states [1][2]

Read the case. They were guilty of basically not getting a permit. If they got a permit their incidental kills can be thousand+ per project. They are a "least concern" category.

> But the biggest fallacy in this PR stunt is that outrageous "we don't know, nothing to see here"

The fallacy is saying this is a concern while not having measurements showing it is a bigger concern than other things like illegal shooting or lead poison or rat poison or power lines or skyscraper windows. If the windmill fighters actually care about birds maybe they could fund these studies. Do they fund these bird studies or just don't want wind energy for whatever reason (like investing into fossil fuels)? If they fund those bird studies why don't we have the measurements.

Meanwhile there are no permits for killing eagles with rat poison (every death is illegal but who's counting?). Meanwhile every power line operator is given unlimited permit for incidental bald eagle kills. But yes wind turbines, the big enemy of bird lovers.

> Read the case, They were guilty of basically not getting a permit.

ESI pleaded guilty to three counts of violating the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, (because their facilities killed, at least, 150 endangered eagles). The court sentenced ESI to a fine of $1,861,600, restitution in the amount of $6,210,991, and a five-year period of probation

So yep, basically, a little tiny, 8 millions worth, paperwork problem.

> Meanwhile there are no permits for killing eagles with rat poison

Wow, that is super-unfair!. If you think that the US government should grant permits to people craving to kill endangered eagles with rat poison, write your local governor about your concern. This must be a traditional local sport somewhere.

> The fallacy is saying this is a concern

Is a concern

> while not having measurements showing it is a bigger concern than <whatabout that>, <whatabout this?> (read this with the music of Dragostea Din Tei in your mind)

Is still a concern

> So yep, basically, a little tiny, 8 millions worth, paperwork problem.

Lol. Paperwork problems can be very costly my friend, welcome to life

> Is a concern

So you agree with me, since as I wrote it is a concern. A low one. If you want to measure it against other concerns, the avid bird lover that you are, we are all waiting for your numbers;)

And bald eagles specifically least concern by US law

> Paperwork problems can be very costly my friend, welcome to life

They should say that to the investors: "Our repeated incompetence only cost the company, huh, 35 millions [1], but all is fine and... look, a squirrel!".

"Of course that will be fixed with the 007 permit to kill unlimited eagles at the magical price of $29,623 of your money for each bald or golden eagle killed... wow, that squirrel over there has a super cute unibrow!. Looks exactly like Walter, from contability, when is biting his nails"

[1] 8 millions fine, plus investment of 27 millions required to pass the probatory period.

We have them around here. In fact, there’s even a Facebook page for a local nesting pair. They mostly eat eels, so water pollution is their worst enemy.

The thing that often gets raptors, is rat poison. It also kills cats. Rats seem to thrive, no matter what we throw at them.

It’s generally a good idea to keep cats indoors. I read a statistic that outdoor cats live dramatically shorter lives than indoor ones.

Have you looked at the Highways?

And we are talking about skyscrapers not simply houses.