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Ahh, I thought 'the pit' referred to an aspect of the game like how tiles for the old Anagrams game might be placed in 'the boneyard.'

No, commercial games like that wouldn't be in Hoyle.

For what it's worth, official instructions are at https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/pit.pdf . DDG "pit parker brothers game instructions".




sure and i just asked GPT "What are the rules of the card game The Pit," and it listed them instantly. DDG i would have to a search, then click the link, scroll down/around and then squint to read their rules. GPT instantly shows them in a clean easier read. As a UX person less (steps & cleanier in this case) is always more.


The game is "Pit", not "The Pit."

Did you compare the two sets of rules to see if they are the same?

Did it tell you the Bull and Bear rules, or just the basic rules?


yes it showed me all the rules even using "The Pit," which i didnt read through all to learn about the bull and the bear. Rather asked GPT a follow up question "what is the bull and the bear?"


"All the rules", including the variation about playing only using hand signals, like at a real trading pit back then?

My underlying point is you didn't learn the correct name, didn't read the full information you got the first time, and seem either incurious or blasé about proving a side-by-side comparison of the two information sources.

The second DDG hit is https://gamerules.com/rules/pit/ which is a summary of only the base game rules, without the bear and bull.

The third is https://www.boardgamecapital.com/pit-rules.htm which has different rules! The one claims bids can include '"Two wheat for one sugar!" or "Three corn for one soybean!"' but link #2 says 'They may not announce the suit that the cards are, but only the number of cards they are trying to get rid of.' matching the Hasbro rules that bids are only based on number, like '“Trade One! One! One!“'.

That third link is highly suspect as it mentions sugar and soybean as possible commodities while listing only 'Hay, Corn, Rye, Barley, Oats, Wheat and Flax'.

So, how does GPT describe the rules?


Probably your concern is what is the most accurate and correct info. As well Im blase on full details but that's human nature you ever play the telephone game ;-)

If you go and use GPT for this query you will see what rules it lists instantly and as a UX professional less steps/clicks/etc is more and usually wins the game. The rules it provided in a few seconds allowed me to quickly tell them and us to start a new game that we were able to finish to completion. Our first we were not trading 2 or 3 or 4 of the same commodity and had to stop.


I'm more highlighting that there isn't a single set of rules for Pit. The instructions have three different ways of playing.

You asked for "the rules" so GPT gave you some rules, fitting your preconceptions.

You asked about 'the Pit' and presumably didn't get from the answer that it's simply "Pit", suggesting again that it's fitting to your preconceptions.

I don't use GPT for several reasons, one being that every time I've seen GPT output on any non-trivial topic where I am competent enough to judge it, it's done a poor job, and the more so when you don't know enough to pose the question correctly.

For another example, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39483825 I noted how ChatGPT's response used 'Sydney', matching the question posed, while the character's name is actually spelled 'Sidney'.

I don't like systems which re-enforce false preconceptions, no matter how nice the UX.




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