Why don't people just stop using Google? And by people, I mean everyone here.
Whenever this point comes up, I see people claim they ONLY see the results they want in Google. How would you know if you don't actually use anything else? Kagi is excellent search. Neeva was pretty great when it was active. DuckDuckGo is passable. Idk how Qwant gets money but it's been around a bit.
Complaining about the same thing forever and expecting a change doesn't make any sense. Y'all are in abusive relationships with Google and refuse to leave. Sure, your job may use Google Suite and you need to make money. What about the rest of your life? Stop hitting yourself.
Once I have stable income I do plan to use Kagi. Though I do recognize that even Kagi partially has Google Search underneath. Even if you fully de-googlefy it's hard to not be indirectly supporting Google.
Been working on it for 2 years now and even then I'm more or less locked into 3 services
1. Gmail, 20 year old account I use for pretty much everything business. Even if I move I'll need to forward Gmail stuff to a new email for years.
2. YouTube. Pretty self explanatory (and the go to for why monopolies are always bad). Trying to avoid it entirely is like trying to avoid dang Twitter. Too many other companies use it as a go to for any video, no matter how inefficient (nothing better for graphical showcases than nitrate compression ruining all the details)
3. Play store. Used android all my life and while I can mostly move out I will be missing some critical apps from that result (financial apps are a big example)
It's a network effect like any other for 2 of those, and a lock in part of my online identity for another.
I can't help you with points 1 and 3 but for 2: do you comment on YouTube videos or upload your own? If you just consume content (like I do), you can subscribe to your favorite channels with RSS. Go to a channel and inspect source for "rss" to find the link. I'm partial to NetNewsWire for my feed reader.
I will boost this. I am very happy with Kagi. I'm on ultimate and am glad to have my money taken for reliable and high-quality search.
> Complaining about the same thing forever and expecting a change doesn't make any sense. Y'all are in abusive relationships with Google and refuse to leave.
This would be a more solid stance if they were complaining about this as a consumer and not as a business operator. They can't control what search engines other people use. The best they can do is optimise for other engines like Bing and DuckDuckGo.
The other alternative is finding other avenues to advertise away from search engines, which may be what you were alluding to.
> The other alternative is finding other avenues to advertise away from search engines, which may be what you were alluding to.
I was actually speaking from the consumer perspective, thanks for making the distinction. The OP has valid reasons for being upset with the most popular search engine ruining visibility.
To be fair, I have no idea what business could/should do. Bigger businesses can afford to hire social media folks to keep them relevant on Facebook or whatever. SMBs/mom & pops are screwed.
I used DDG as my default search engine for several years, but I kept having to go back to Google because it was consistently more reliable even though it has more crap. I hear Kagi is great but I am not signing up just to find out, nor do I feel confident that 100 searches are enough to make a decision about paying for it. I think Google is garbage but I have yet to se anything that is consistently qualitatively better.
100 searches last you a lot longer than you think, especially if you delegate “postal code Wall Street New York”-type searches to Google via “!g” prefixing.
It’ll give you time to get used to Kagi and set up some personal up- and downranks and blocks. Especially together with the Summarizer and Lenses your search result quality will dramatically improve.
No doubt this is true for you, but my search usage patterns are quite different. 100 searches in a day is nbd for me, sometimes I go through that in a few hours.
> Complaining about the same thing forever and expecting a change doesn't make any sense.
Do you know that this forum isn't one person and thousands of people access it in different days and time, right? The notion that the same people are complaining while still using Google is a projection of your mind.
That's why I emphasized "everyone here." My wife isn't gonna stop using Google, and Kagi isn't a default option choice on iOS. Nerds will go out of their way to use a product.
Whenever this point comes up, I see people claim they ONLY see the results they want in Google. How would you know if you don't actually use anything else? Kagi is excellent search. Neeva was pretty great when it was active. DuckDuckGo is passable. Idk how Qwant gets money but it's been around a bit.
Complaining about the same thing forever and expecting a change doesn't make any sense. Y'all are in abusive relationships with Google and refuse to leave. Sure, your job may use Google Suite and you need to make money. What about the rest of your life? Stop hitting yourself.