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> rather than looking at real causes of why people are so unhealthy

I'll answer this one.

The human body is designed and built to eat as much as possible, as often as possible. The brain will prod, poke, and even force you to eat.

For all of human history and prehistory, this is incredibly advantageous. A greedy approach to food consumption allows lower risk of starvation, and fat reserves can be utilized to provide survival mechanisms when food is short.

For the first time in human history and prehistory, we have an abundance of food.

Some humans, a minority, are able to simply fight their biological urges or they may not even have those urges. If this were 10,000 years ago, they would surely be one of the first to die. Now, however, this is advantageous.

Every single part of our biology is in contradiction with modern society. It's not a shock that humans have a problem with obesity. If I gave my dog infinite kibble, I give him a month before he has killed himself.

We are not built for this.



I don’t buy this fatalistic attitude at all. Japan has an abundance of food as well, and Japanese humans are also human. Yet I don’t see nearly the same level of obesity here. The difference is entirely cultural, and yet you argue that we poor humans are destined to overeat. It’s not like the poor Japanese are suffering not to overeat every day of their tragic lives.

Instead the same measures that work here work in western countries as well. Free food at schools in the US and Europe has led to less obesity. Teaching cooking at school has led to less obesity. Teaching appreciation of the own physical self as a gift that one is responsible for rather than a burden has led to less obesity.

None of this requires throwing even more money at pharma to balance out the out-of-control American food industry (originating from the unscrupulous tobacco industry) which pays pharma to create more addictive foods. And yes, our bodies did not evolve to handle those ultra-processed foods laden with additives, but that is not normal food! Look up how the American food industry wreaked havoc in Latin America, leading to insane rates of obesity in mere years.


I don't think "big pharma" is creating more addictive foods, lol. I will say our food industry is fucked but what they're doing isn't magic.

Fast food is addictive because it contains high amounts of fats, sodium, and carbs. That's all there is to it.


I don't think that anything you said here is wrong, however I don't see how any of it is relevant either.

I mean, sure... We should fix all the everything, but we can also help the people who are dying right now while we do that. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Imagine rejecting a cure for cancer because it might encourage smokers to continue. That would just be silly.


ok, I get the difference between life 10k years ago and today. Why has obesity and diabetes in children roughly doubled since the 80s though?


Personally, I would guess less smoking. We're really good at replacing addictions with other addictions. Not so good at stopping addiction as a whole.




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