> This is an idea whose time has come; POSIX even changed their rules about binary in shell scripts specifically to let us do it.
FWIW I agree with this OpenBSD change, which says more pointedly
All the shells are written in C, and majority of them use C strings for everything, which means they cannot embed a NUL, so this is not surprising. It is quite unbelievable there are people trying to rewrite history on a lark, and expecting the world to follow alone.
i.e. it's not worth it to change a bunch of old code in order to allow making code more esoteric.
We want systems code to be more predictable, reliable, and less esoteric ... not more esoteric
> POSIX even changed their rules about binary in shell scripts specifically to let us do it.
I'd seen this quote around. The fact that the standards were changed to allow it never struck me as a good indication that it should be relied upon. It seems rather backwards of how these standards work.
I got flamed on HN once for saying cosmopolitan libc shouldn't be used for production because it relies on weird behaviors and implementation quirks that aren't really an ABI.
Looking at this further, the standards change doesn't even match what Cosmopolitan is doing.
From the 'changed their rules' link, the 'Desired Action' is to add this text: "The input file may be of any type, but the initial portion of the file intended to be parsed according to the shell grammar [..] shall not contain the NUL character."
This handles things like shar archives where you have a shell script at the beginning, then an exit command, then binary gunk.
But Cosmopolitan binaries are not just shell scripts with binary. They're hybrids of shell script and DOS executable. And apparently this requires putting nul bytes right near the beginning (see my other comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41640331), in the "portion [..] intended to be parsed according to the shell grammar". Which explicitly violates the new text.
I can understand why this hack is needed for what Cosmopolitan is trying to accomplish, but it makes no sense to claim POSIX blessed it.
Yeah I found it here
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41030960
2019 bug - https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1250
https://justine.lol/cosmo3/
> This is an idea whose time has come; POSIX even changed their rules about binary in shell scripts specifically to let us do it.
FWIW I agree with this OpenBSD change, which says more pointedly
All the shells are written in C, and majority of them use C strings for everything, which means they cannot embed a NUL, so this is not surprising. It is quite unbelievable there are people trying to rewrite history on a lark, and expecting the world to follow alone.
i.e. it's not worth it to change a bunch of old code in order to allow making code more esoteric.
We want systems code to be more predictable, reliable, and less esoteric ... not more esoteric