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They are useful from a mathematical point of view. (And explore the relationship between P and NP, for example.) Not sure if that counts as a 'real use' to you. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP_theorem

At the moment, producing a zero knowledge proof has roughly a million-fold overhead compared to running a program directly. So there aren't many applications where that's acceptable. So I am very grateful that the blockchain people are more than happy to throw money at the math here. Very generous of them.

In principle, you can use ZKP for privacy preserving compliance work in real (ie traditional) finance.

To quote myself (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41422250):

> Eg Goldman Sachs could encode all their compliance rules in a program, and publish a proof that their books pass the check by that program, without revealing anything about their accounting.

> In a banking context, you could in theory also run your know-your-customer (KYC) rules against customer provided data, store the proof, and delete the original data. That way, you still have proof that your customers don't have ties to North Korea or Russia, but you can't be compelled by anyone to reveal the data later (nor accidentally leak that data, etc).

> Of course, for that latter application, you need a sharp lawyer to make sure that storing the proof instead of the original data is enough for your KYC obligations.

> If you want to go further, you could have your customers run the KYC rules locally, so that their data never leaves their premises.

> (For all these applications, you still have to have a mechanism that connects the real world to the inputs of the programs whose execution you are proving.

> So eg Goldman Sachs would still need an auditor that checks that the assets and obligations they have in their balance sheet actually exist, but the auditor does not otherwise need to make judgement calls or apply any rules.)




Again, this is exactly the cryptocrap-derived nonsense I meant.

"Goldman Sachs could..." but they do NOT. Like they don't use blockcrap for interbank settlements, asset tracking, notary, etc.

So basically, no actual uses so far. And it's not even clear _why_ I would want to use ZKP.


ZKPs have only become cheap and easy enough to do in the last few years, so of course Goldman Sachs doesn't use them yet. They'll be using them in a decade, for now look at startups. https://github.com/zk-passport/openpassport is one that is working today, worldcoin ID verification is another.


> They'll be using them in a decade

No, they won't.

> worldcoin ID verification is another.

In other words: cryptocrap.


> They'll be using them in a decade, [...]

I'm not so sure. That would only make sense, if the lawyers and regulators are on board.


I carefully gave examples of where ZKP can be useful outside of blockchains.

> Like they don't use blockcrap for interbank settlements, asset tracking, notary, etc.

Yes. So far the only way to track real world assets on a blockchain is to have a trusted third party (or third parties) that connect whatever your blockchain says to the real world.

But if you have that trusted third party, you might as well have them run the database that keeps track of who owns what. No need for a blockchain.

ZKP is different in the sense that it's one of only a few things to come out of the 'crypto' world that has at least a _chance_ of being useful in the real world. One day. Perhaps.

(Cryptography in general is enormously useful. Have a look at HTTPS for one example. When I just say 'crypto' I mean specifically everything to do with the blockchain ecosystem. So far the only real applications of crypto / blockchains that I've seen are gambling (generously called 'speculation' or 'investment') and ransomware payments. Cryptocurrencies aren't even good for buying drugs on the black market so far.)

In any case, ZKP is still very immature. But we are very fortunate that the crypto-people are generously funding this area of essentially pure mathematics research.




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