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Free speech is not something they value. Individual rights aren’t valued.

Nonsense. Of course Europeans value those things, but they're also mindful of the fact that such freedoms can be abused, sometimes with catastrophic consequences.



When you support literally jailing people for speech you don't like, you don't support free speech.

The clear-cut example I usually pull out - there's PLENTY more.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...


I fail to see what this has to do with European conceptions of free speech in general. You may recall that Britain went out of its way to leave the EU, in part citing its dislike of the EU's legal concept of fundamental rights.


So he wasn't jailed.


It's still baffling that he could have been, and that this law exists at all


So much for clear-cut example!


So we can all agree that Trump certainly doesn't support free speech.

And he's AMERICAN.


Of course people who don't value much free speech say that they're mindful of the fact that freedom can be abused etc. Nobody will ever say "yes I like censorship because I am a reactionary".

In general, remember that villains almost always justify their action as necessary or just- only in movies their stated motive is obviously egoistical.


> Nobody will ever say "yes I like censorship because I am a reactionary".

Yes, because no one except idiots will say "I am reactionary", and no one except idiots believe that "because I am reactionary" is a valid explanation of anything. Political categories are dumb, and most people aren't stupid enough to define themselves by them.


beguiling denial.




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