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> They're training on data that you generated while using their product. It seems like they should have just as much right to it as you?

Er...no? As in "not even close"?

The maker of the typewriter Hemingway used has no rights to the works of Hemingway.

The maker of the shovel has no rights to the ditch dug with it.

The maker of my kitchen knives has no rights to the food I prepare with them.




But a typewriter isn't a product that evolves over time in the way software does?

If you want a newer, better typewriter, you have to find and buy it. The typewriter you have isn't going to get periodic updates that improve it's functionality.

And the company that made the typewriter isn't paying for the hardware every time you use it, unlike with a SaaS product (in most cases). You're also not paying a periodic fee to continue using said typewriter.

They're fundamentally different ownership/usage models, so why wouldn't the data ownership model change to accommodate?

[E] It would be helpful if you replied to my whole comment, rather than just the first line. I did clarify what I was saying further on into the comment.


Desktop OS like Windows one would also need to buy new versions of to get improvements. Nor did it require a periodic fee. But most importantly, the AI trying by default is changing the nature of the purchase/usage agreement, without consent of the buyer.


Well for one thing, this thread was about Figma, not Windows.

For another, how is changing to opt-in by default "without the consent of the buyer"? In this situation, Figma is opting in folks who have signed up for a waitlist to use the AI features. Those users have opted in to a new feature, and that new feature comes with its own set of opt-in preferences. They have clearly communicated that this doesn't take effect immediately, and are giving users the ability to opt out with plenty of advance warning.

Are more philosophically: if a product is allowed to change over time, why is the purchase/usage agreement not allowed to also change over time? It seems irrational to demand that one thing change (the SaaS product should improve over time!) while simultaneously demanding the purchase/usage agreement not change.


According to the linked documentation, Figma is opt-in AI features for all plans, and AI training on all plans except for Organization/Enterprise. Regardless of whether people have indicated interest in such features or not.


Also according to their documentation, all the AI features are in limited beta (hence the wait-list I mentioned earlier).

It isn't clear to me on re-reading the documentation if everyone is opted into training the AI, rather than just those who have opted into using the AI features while they are in beta.




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