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Nope not a genocide...by any reasonable definition it was not.



“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything will be closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly”

-- Defense Minister Yoav Gallant


So the Nakba is on going according to you, you're not even talking about 1948. Whatever.


So the Nakba is on going

You're catching on! The Nakba is as fresh as ever. Just ask these folks -- who are definitely in a position to know:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372975

As the Minister for Foreign Affairs instructs us: "Remember 48".

And he sure ain't kidding. It is all very much an ongoing process.


Right. I can find a collection of quotes by current and previous Palestinian leaders that make them appear to be a bunch of genocidal, religious fanatics and holocaust deniers. But I'm not gonna do that because the day is short and I'm not sure what its going to achieve.


The quotes were directly relevant to the topic that you raised.

The genocidal intent of the Nakba was as clear in 1948 as it is with the Nakba in its current form today.


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So is it mutual acts of genocide between Palestinians/Arabs and Israelis?

Oh, absolutely. If the Nakba falls under the modern definition of genocide (as per the Convention), then the MENA expulsions and of course the Oct 7 pogrom do as well, in my view.

My intent is not to isolate blame on one side for this mess (which I see as ultimately symbiotic, the result of provocations by both sides). But to identify the common fabric between these events -- in the hopes of finding some way to stop if from continuing perpetually, ever forward.

Are Jews living through an ongoing holocaust now? Perhaps, since the term genocide lost all meaning why not.

Neither side is going through a true Holocaust in the sense of what happened to the European Jews (and certain other groups at the time), of course. We are very far from that, and I see your point here about a possible dilution of the term, and of the (nearly but not entirely unique) trauma and anguish related to those events (which I spent a certain phase of my life obsessively studying, BTW).

Again the overall intent is to identify sources of harm done to people, at scale and on the basis of group identity -- intended to diminish their numbers, destroy their spirit, and threaten their long-term survival as a people.

I just want it all to stop.


Got it I see where you're coming from now, Its much more balanced than I thought previously.


Likewise + thank for clarifying.




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