This is cray seriously. It's so weird to see these "anti art" statements coming out. It's like from people who never stepped foot in an art gallery or been able to appreciate that. It's kind of sad that a whole aspect of human experience is cut off from you. Hahaha! :)
It seems more like this self-important judgement that all art is trash is what's narcissistic: judging for everybody that what they like is crap -- pretty narcissistic - I guess you're just better than everyone? Hahaha! :)
Do you realize how narrow and bitter you sound, in your own little grinchy anti-art world?
Hahaha! :) I'm actually laughing because I think it's funny. You don't know me so you wouldn't know.
But, I know another thing you don't: did you know that 'passive aggressive' actually means 'aggression/hostility via resistance/obstruction.' It's not actually how it's often used to indicate what you meant here as a kind of ironic or deceptive friendliness. Which this was not!
Totes sincere, I swear to you. I can deliver a skewering remark with a smile on my face and laughing, and not hating you. Tone translates poor into text, right? What can I say? Hahahahaha! :)
Such as: your phoney criticism of no argument is literally a statement without argument to what I'm saying. Hahahaha! :)
Which surprises me because, this topic actually had so much meat. Why'd you wuss out and comment on something unrelated to the topic at hand??!! :) Hahaha! :) Over to you, sir! Ha! :)
Oh, wait, I know! It's because you like belligerence rather than caring about the topic at hand, right? Sorry, I actually care about this topic. So I don't think you're gonna win this, whatever this is. That's not helping your 'argument'! Hahahahaha! :)
Did you think that when you wrote the comment? When you say "move on" it seems like you don't think it's wonderful. When you say "deviant nature" it also sounds like you don't think it's wonderful.
The dense thinking and unique perspective behind your brief comments makes them hard to parse for most people in the moment. They'd benefit from more exposition!
I get you're embracing the shadow and encompassing things seen as negative to be free of them, this is positive I guess as long as it's not harmful. Contrarian viewpoint and likely to be misunderstood in a comment online, but I applaud your courage to say what you think! :)
Alright, so to riff on it:
In your framework, if I'm to speak within those bounds, if we're to make a connection between justice and vindictiveness I'd say: justice is formalized vindictiveness realized for catharsis and control, and hopefully, healing and remediation.
People have no free will? I get if you feel that about yourself, but you can't impose that on others. It's abusive to try because then you don't see their agency.
It's also a dangerous trap to believe, as you seem to free yourself from responsibility for your actions, potentially liberating yourself from any sense of accountability for hurting people. Or in a less nefarious mode, explain away any failures of yours by surrendering the idea that you have free will and can choose to make improvements. The idea of lack of free will I think is very suspicious and leads to disempowerment.
But if I'm to try to parse your last sentence as you understand it:
justice is bullshit, it's nobody's fault anyway but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to push back: I'm powerless and it would be futile but we need these things to prevent total chaos is that right?
Also, you think narcissism is wonderful? "Wonderful" could be taken to mean "prompting wonder" and be value-neutral, so in that sense it could be a weasel word judgement disguised as a positive. But generally, wonderful means positive and good.
But a definition of narcissism is: selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type -- you think that's good???
The picture I get from your comments is: you're being raw, expressing directly out of a deep well of your being and experience in an unfiltered way, you've been really hurt and betrayed and have found your peace about it, in part by acceptance with thinking 'nobody has responsibility' anyway, and you don't feel you can do anything about it so you just have to accept it.
>When you say "move on" it seems like you don't think it's wonderful. When you say "deviant nature" it also sounds like you don't think it's wonderful.
This post was full of comments deriding the people appreciating the apartment, that's who I was speaking to with the "move on".
Deviancy is how we have everything, every evolution came from deviancy, being different is ok.
>justice is bullshit, it's nobody's fault anyway but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to push back: I'm powerless and it would be futile but we need these things to prevent total chaos is that right?
Yes!
>But a definition of narcissism is: selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type -- you think that's good???
Yes!!! Collectivist "empathy" or slave morality has a lot of caveats that I don't like (revenge, envy, resentment). Like kindness, selfishness is also beautiful and defiant. Empathy is only supported as long as the social contract implies reciprocity, it is also selfish behaviour, let people be free of it as much as possible.
>The picture I get from your comments is: you're being raw, expressing directly out of a deep well of your being and experience in an unfiltered way, you've been really hurt and betrayed and have found your peace about it, in part by acceptance with thinking 'nobody has responsibility' anyway, and you don't feel you can do anything about it so you just have to accept it.
I don't think my comment expressed that. The justice/free-will was an example of how you can know truth (there is no free will) while also appreciating punishments. I can see art as a narcissistic expression while also appreciating narcissistic expressions.
Art is like religion, to those who believe in it it's everything, to those who don't it's just a pile of BS.
I don't like the ressignification people do of words to frame their beliefs in a flattering light in order to win people over.
"I am pro abortion, yes it is murder, I am pro murder."
It seems more like this self-important judgement that all art is trash is what's narcissistic: judging for everybody that what they like is crap -- pretty narcissistic - I guess you're just better than everyone? Hahaha! :)
Do you realize how narrow and bitter you sound, in your own little grinchy anti-art world?