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Companies invest so much time and resources in screening because the of a suboptimal or unqualified employee is far greater than the benefit of a good employee. A poor fit employee is a major drag.



Sorry no, that's why you have a trial/probation period even in Europe, ranging from a month to a couple of years when you can fire them without any cause or severance.

It's precisely so you can gauge their performance on the job without any risk to the employer.

So what's the issue here?

But companies are being needlessly pedantic about only wanting to hire "the best of the best" and nothing else will suffice as if they're all working on problems the scale of Google or Astra Zeneca.

Here's a recent article saying that "EU jobs crisis as employers say applicants don't have the right skills"[1].

Well then, train them or be more flexible since people can also learn and train themselves if you give them the chance. No candidate will have 100% math to the skills you want.

[1] https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/04/08/eu-jobs-crisis-...


And in US employment is at-will, no? What exactly is the risk for a company? Rogue employee stealing IP? Any employee can do that already. Can't fire a low performer? We just saw more 300k people in the industry let go in 2022/2023/2024. And at-will, trial period already exist.

If anything the risk is for the employee. But if companies stop trying to be Google and stick to their actual level of prestige, employees wouldn't have to do a multi week/month interviewing marathon just to get a foot in the door, and it balances out, easy to get your foot in another door.

I don't know if it's cargo culting, ego, or what, but non of the hiring practices so many companies carry out make sense. Pick top 10 resumes, spend 2h interviewing each, offer 3 month trial or at-will hire/fire your top pick. Saved you 50-100k in recruiter costs.


There is a lot of harm:

1. In order to get a job, a person need to quit one. If there is a risk (in form of trial period), why to accept such an offer? As result, best candidates pass, or at least stick to existing positions longer. Or pay raise must be more significant.

2. Reputational harm: read about Amazon's hire-to-fire practice. And try to guess, why a lot of people do not consider employment with Amazon.

3. Work harm: any new employee is investment. It has to be onboarded, and it is a heavy load for the accepting team.

Of course, it heavily depends on the job market segment. I know software eng. only. If most candidates are unemployed, trial period could be a blessing. In the current market, why would I even apply (and spend my time on the interview?


>What exactly is the risk for a company?

Maybe getting sued if they fire candidates fitting DEI or other protected class?


That's a reasonable assumption. I wonder if it's really going to hold up in court though. Basically wouldn't that imply once a non-white, non-male is hired you're basically with a high probability asking to be sued if you ever terminate their employment? That seems too broad to hold up in court. Couldn't the company say this person failed to meet expectations, so we decided to part ways? But, yeah, sure that's a risk, but idk if that's the real reason companies have all these hoops in their hiring process.


Most cases are resolved out of court, for a multitude of reasons. One being damage to public reputation and employee morale.


This would be great. It's odd to me that we in the US get the worst of both worlds: despite at-will employment laws and almost no employment contracts, it's difficult to get hired because companies are so afraid of bad hires, and companies don't exercise their right to fire people who don't work out.

We hire like it's hard to fire people!


>We hire like it's hard to fire people!

I think you're quite mistaken here.

Come to Europe and see, the job market is basically frozen, while people on HN say in the US they have so many jobs options right now that they can be picky about only choosing the ones with 100% WFH, while here I can't even get replies to jobs demanding commute to the office every day.

You don't know how good you have it over there.


Things are rapidly changing in the US. Getting a high paying 100% WFH job only a very small percentage of folks can land. The rest are sitting in (hours of) traffic or on a dangerous underfunded pub trans system to get to work every day.


>Getting a high paying 100% WFH job

Who said anything about high pay? A lot of people, me included would trade pay for the ability to 100% WFH which si much more abundant in the US than in some of EU.


Make a contract with probation time (from 2 weeks to 3 months) and bam, no major drag.


Don't all contract already have probation time by default?


No contract has anything globally "by default" unless it's written or strictly imposed by a law of the location.


I think both sides bear responsibility here. If you can't work well with someone you dislike, then _you're_ the one with a gap in your professionalism.




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