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> It gets to the degree that getting that extra $40-50k a year requires you to give up a LOT.

And it's still costing the taxpayer ~$45k -- more than that, because the government has its own administrative overhead on top of that.

But people still use it, because they're doing $30k in work to get $45k in benefits, it's just that they were supposed to be getting $45k in benefits. Which the taxpayer is still paying for even though the net benefit is far less.

The people asking how to pay for it haven't understood the math. If you subtract both the government's administrative overhead and the recipient's, we could provide a higher level of true benefits to people and still lower taxes on everyone else, just by splitting the efficiency gains between them.



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